Uwe Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>David Woolley wrote:
>> Uwe Klein wrote:
>> 
>>> Danny Mayer wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not doing nothing. If the CPU is on standby nothing, including 
>>>> ntpd, should be running.
>>>
>>>
>>> ntp would then need to accomodate thinks like a "sleep mode"?
>>> and a "trigger" of type "Query the associations now"
>>> ( on linux forex be d-bus aware? )
>> 
>> 
>> The impression I get is that ntpd should be treated as infrastructure, 
>> and have power management states, but Red Hat are treating it as an 
>> errant application that needs to be modified to avoid upsetting the 
>> power management apple cart.

>Hello David,
>I am not surprised.

>Linux presents afaik the biggest userbase for ntp (and is simultanously
>the most derided group of questioneers in this NG, though i think compared
>to the installed instances linux is imho underrepresented).
>If a large group is beat over the head in a somewhat regular fashion
>( which may have been just a cats and dogs thing ) it is rather
>unsurprising to find those people working around this obstacle.

I certainly have no idea what you are talking about. What derision? What
"beat over the head"? What obstacle?



>  E.g. after resume from RAM, it needs to
>> progress the clock discipline algorithm forwards (including extra 
>> corrections for temperature excursions) before anything is allowed to 
>> read the value of the clock, and after resume from disk, it should 
>> probably do a restart.
>Well it should start with ntp getting signaled to prepare for various
>modes of sleep or cpu frequency slowdown.
>Save as much state as is possible, then ack for sleep.

>There is actually another situation where currently ntp is just
>killed of and started again: network interface changes.
>This could be handled in a less disruptive way as well.
>> 
>> The latter greatly increases the importance of fast convergence, and 
>> without specific compensation for temperature variation, even resume 
>> from RAM needs the ability to respond fast to frequency hits, possibly 
>> conditioned on just having done a resume.
>Whichever way one does this ntp needs to be able to respond to finer
>grained external triggers. It can not any longer be "King of the Castle".

No idea what this means either.


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