Actually, you're right on the money there, James. Yes, when I turn my
dial on the XP-80, program change info does change in the track
properties screen. I'll have to check again to see if it changes also
for the instrument name at the same time.

Thanks also for the setting in the XR. I'll look for that forthwith. I
have the whole menu layout from either you or Andre, shouldn't be too
hard to set it, at which point I'll try it and see what it sends and
how things change. All I know is, when I turn the knob, the XR does
change, but not how I think it should. In other words, it does
something else when the knob is turned, it does not change the
currently selected patch to the next available one. Harrumph to Roland
for that one!

On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:26:10 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi Steve,
>
>I just want to pick up again on the instrument list
>reflecting program and bank messages received:
>
>I have just tried it using both my Korg X5 and my Fantom-XR.  Results:
>
>1.  Korg X5: this is set to send both program and bank messages: if I'm in
>the track properties dialog, as soon as I change sound on the keyboard, the 
>program number, bank number and instrument list are updated.  This means if 
>the Windows focus is on the instrument list, my screen reader immediately 
>announces the newly selected instrument.  I think
>this is what you're asking?  On my X5, I can either use the Up/Down buttons,
>the Bank Select button or directly enter a value on the number pad.
>
>2.  Fantom-XR.  When I turn the Value dial on the Fantom, no MIDI data is
>being transmitted from the unit, so it will be impossible for QWS or
>anything else to work out what instrument you are selecting.
>
>I recall in the Fantom manual, it mentioned a setting somewhere called
>something like Tx Data.  It's off by default I think, but if you turn it on,
>I imagine the Fantom will transmit relevant MIDI data.  In this case, QWS
>will pick up on the messages and the instrument list will reflect the
>correct data and it will be read.  Unfortunately, I cannot recall exactly
>where this setting is in the menu structure.
>
>Incidentally, if you'd like me to go through some of the Fantom-XR screens
>with you off list, please let me know.
>
>Forgive me if I've not got what you're asking.
>
>
>Now, regarding a spreadsheet-like control &c, it's an interesting idea, but
>I think this would possibly cause problems : not least because there is no
>"standard" spreadsheet control.  It would mean that if I invented something
>(which would be a lot of work in itself), there's a good chance that it
>would not be fully accessible with all screen readers, i.e.
>out-of-the-box.
>
>At the moment, all fields of the Track Properties are labelled and all
>fields have shortcut keys.  The majority of fields are spinnable (you can
>use Up/Down) or you can directly enter values.  This sounds very much like
>what you are asking for.  If you type a value, just Tab to another field and
>the value will be taken and sent if needed.
>
>You also mentioned about populating the track name with the instrument name
>if it is blank.  Interesting suggestion, but again I have to consider when
>would this behaviour actually occur?
>Assume that the name was blank and you selected an instrument.  This would 
>now mean the track name is showing instrument 1.  Assume now that you decide 
>that instrument 1 is not what you
>wanted, so now you choose instrument 2.  The track name is no longer blank,
>so I can't automatically overwrite the content any more, so what should
>happen in this case?
>
>There's also the question of what to do when you load a song: should this
>auto track naming behaviour also apply here?  I reckon that could
>potentially lead to undesired results.
>
>I hope this helps but if I've missed something, please let me know.
>
>With best regards,
>
>James.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Matzura" <[email protected]>
>To: "QWS list" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:53 PM
>Subject: Re: QWS List bank an program numbers
>
>
>OK, a couple things, some of which may be hardware dependent.
>
>1.  What would be most excellent to have is the selected instrument
>name automatically copied into the track name if the track name is
>blank. If that's not acceptable to folks, then please oh please put
>the chosen instrument name on the screen along with the track name,
>and maybe some more information, so we don't always have to go into
>track properties to find out what's what, like what channel we're on,
>etc. The absolute best of all possible worlds, and this one would
>seriously severely make me pay for it, is for the track listing to be
>more like a spreadsheet where certain parameters could be changed
>simply by pressing up- and down-arrow on them, like program change,
>channel number, bank number, patch, etc. Make them edit/spin fields so
>we can either arrow or type in directly if we know what values to type
>in. The only problem with the typing-in of the fields would be, how
>would the program know when we're done typing and evaluate and execute
>what we've typed? Maybe you press ENTER when done typing? Maybe that's
>not such a good idea after all, the typing part, but the spin part
>surely would be. The only field on the track listing which could
>actually move you around from track to track would be the track
>number, and there should be a hot key (shortcut key) to get to that
>column from whatever column you might be on, like Alt-Home or
>something similar.
>
>2. When program changes are made, either through the spin fields or
>the track properties, display the instrument name on the track
>*PLEASE*.
>
>3. When MIDI program changes are received, index them against the
>loaded instrument definition and display accordingly. The XP-80 seems
>real good at sending program changes for next and previous voice, but
>unless I'm doing something wrong with the XR, which I probably am,
>turning the front-panel click-knob does not move me to the
>next/previous patch. In fact, I have no idea what it exactly does when
>I turn that knob! All I know is, it puts me in some n-space somewhere,
>selecting performances or patches, I just don't know what it's doing,
>and no MIDI data comes back down the line.
>
>4. Would you consider changing the hotkey for new track? CTRL+INS
>doesn't get passed by screenreaders much.
>
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