Seconded! On May 11, 2020 12:22:27 PM PDT, "Koenker, Roger W" <rkoen...@illinois.edu> wrote: >Definitely a fortune: > >"the advantage of computers is not Artificial >Intelligence, but rather Artificial Patience" > >Greg Snow in response to a question about automated R-analysis. > >Roger Koenker >r.koen...@ucl.ac.uk<mailto:r.koen...@ucl.ac.uk> >Honorary Professor of Economics >Department of Economics, UCL >Emeritus Professor of Economics >and Statistics, UIUC > > >On May 11, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Greg Snow ><538...@gmail.com<mailto:538...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >It is a nice dream, but it is really abdicating ethical responsibility >to the computer instead of the researcher. And I personally don't >trust computers over people for this. > >What could go wrong? > >First, how do you guarantee that the statistical plan was locked in >place before the data was collected? With your proposed system some >people will still run a plan on their data, make changes, run again, >etc. until they get what they want, then claim that the statistical >plan came before the data that was used to tune it (I consider this >unethical, but see no way for R or computers in general to prevent >this without human oversight). > >Second, what if the data shows something that you did not anticipate? >This methodology would prevent you doing Exploratory Data Analysis and >adapting accordingly. If people start using this as a black box that >is "blessed" by the package as purely "objective", then many will not >even do any EDA and take the results as "True" when they are not even >appropriate. > >Better would be a regular system for submitting your code to a >clinical trial registry or some other pre-study registry so that other >can compare what you did to what you claimed you were going to do. If >you don't want to submit the entire code, you could submit an md5 hash >to the registry, then others could check to see if the code ran (put >into an online supplement) differs from the registered version. If >the data show something unanticipated then you can show the original >code and the modified code along with your reasoning and let the >consumer decide if the changes were justified. > >This could still be worked around if someone was really motivated, but >it is probably the best we will see. > >In my opinion the advantage of computers is not Artificial >Intelligence, but rather Artificial Patience (most AI that I have seen >is really doing a bunch of what I would consider to be boring, really >fast so people don't have to). Leave the Intelligence to the people. > >On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:10 AM karl adenener ><adene...@hotmail.com<mailto:adene...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > >It would be a dream, there would be a R-based software, which I >configure according to my study (type of data, limits for meaningful >measurements, handling of outliers and missing measurements, test >method etc.), which then reads my original measurement data and after >some computing time the software provides me with the statistical >analysis. All steps of the evaluation have to be defined before the >start of the study and cannot be changed after the start of the study. > >Where could problems arise? >Does anyone know of a suitable R-Package or software? >Does anyone have the time and inclination to create a flexibly >customizable package? > >greetings >Adenener > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >______________________________________________ >R-help@r-project.org<mailto:R-help@r-project.org> mailing list -- To >UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > >-- >Gregory (Greg) L. Snow Ph.D. >538...@gmail.com<mailto:538...@gmail.com> > >______________________________________________ >R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >______________________________________________ >R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
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