... and we are off topic and I'm not sure I would vote for changing the name of the colour but at the same time I have to endorse that as a brilliant, brilliant summary of the issues which ought to be a fortune candidate.
I have cc'd in the noble Achim, maintainer of the cookies package as I seem to remember that's the correct way to make a formal nomination. Very best all, Chris ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ryan Novosielski" <novos...@rutgers.edu> > To: "r-help mailing list" <r-help@r-project.org> > Cc: "Lainey Gallenberg" <laineygallenb...@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 November, 2020 16:39:38 > Subject: Re: [R] Inappropriate color name >> On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Rolf Turner <r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100 >> Jim Lemon <drjimle...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Elaine, >>> There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. I >>> don't think that it does anything against racism, sexism or >>> antidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexicon >>> to comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of the >>> user. It is the intent that matters, not the poor word. Chasing the >>> words wastes your time, blames those who use the words harmlessly, >>> and gives the real offender time to find another epithet. >> >> Jim: This is superbly expressed. I wish that I could have said >> that! Your posting should go down in the annals of brilliant rhetoric, >> alongside Dr. Johnson's "Letter to Lord Chesterfield". >> >> cheers, >> >> Rolf > > You know, I wouldn’t have continued this thread (which has now wandered off > topic from the original somewhat-more-technical question), but I feel now like > it’s necessary to do so (and only fair, if anyone is considering moderating me > after letting these posts by): > > That is a view commonly held by white people, and even more overwhelmingly by > white men. Our field is already not as diverse as it should be for a variety > of > reasons, and this “pretending no one else on earth exists” kind of stuff is at > least some part of the reason. The question at issue here aside, white men > complaining about people finding racism or sexism everywhere they look doesn’t > pass the sniff test. Most or all of these things that people are reporting as > offensive are being reported by people you’re clearly not listening to. > > Further, impact is what matters. If I step on your foot, I apologize, > regardless > of whether or not it was intentional, because it’s the right thing to do. If > someone tells you “that thing you’re saying is offensive or is hurting me” and > you say “I didn’t mean it,” and then keep right on doing it, what does it say > to the person on the receiving end of it? All anyone that is being “blamed,” > as > you put it, is being asked to do is to try to do better next time. > > -- > #BlackLivesMatter > ____ >|| \\UTGERS, |---------------------------*O*--------------------------- >||_// the State | Ryan Novosielski - novos...@rutgers.edu >|| \\ University | Sr. Technologist - 973/972.0922 (2x0922) ~*~ RBHS Campus >|| \\ of NJ | Office of Advanced Research Computing - MSB C630, >Newark > `' > > ______________________________________________ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Small contribution in our coronavirus rigours: https://www.coresystemtrust.org.uk/home/free-options-to-replace-paper-core-forms-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic/ Chris Evans <ch...@psyctc.org> Visiting Professor, University of Sheffield <chris.ev...@sheffield.ac.uk> I do some consultation work for the University of Roehampton <chris.ev...@roehampton.ac.uk> and other places but <ch...@psyctc.org> remains my main Email address. I have a work web site at: https://www.psyctc.org/psyctc/ and a site I manage for CORE and CORE system trust at: http://www.coresystemtrust.org.uk/ I have "semigrated" to France, see: https://www.psyctc.org/pelerinage2016/semigrating-to-france/ https://www.psyctc.org/pelerinage2016/register-to-get-updates-from-pelerinage2016/ If you want an Emeeting, I am trying to keep them to Thursdays and my diary is at: https://www.psyctc.org/pelerinage2016/ceworkdiary/ Beware: French time, generally an hour ahead of UK. ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
