I agree with, support, and appreciate this message. Thank you Ryan for the courage to write this, and Lainey for your courage to persist with your question.
-----Original Message----- From: R-help <r-help-boun...@r-project.org> On Behalf Of Ryan Novosielski Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:40 AM To: r-help mailing list <r-help@r-project.org> Cc: Lainey Gallenberg <laineygallenb...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [R] Inappropriate color name *** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] <a href="https://www.northland.edu/about/external-email";>What does this mean?</a> *** > On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Rolf Turner <r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz> wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100 > Jim Lemon <drjimle...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Elaine, >> There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. I >> don't think that it does anything against racism, sexism or >> antidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexicon >> to comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of the >> user. It is the intent that matters, not the poor word. Chasing the >> words wastes your time, blames those who use the words harmlessly, >> and gives the real offender time to find another epithet. > > Jim: This is superbly expressed. I wish that I could have said that! > Your posting should go down in the annals of brilliant rhetoric, > alongside Dr. Johnson's "Letter to Lord Chesterfield". > > cheers, > > Rolf You know, I wouldn’t have continued this thread (which has now wandered off topic from the original somewhat-more-technical question), but I feel now like it’s necessary to do so (and only fair, if anyone is considering moderating me after letting these posts by): That is a view commonly held by white people, and even more overwhelmingly by white men. Our field is already not as diverse as it should be for a variety of reasons, and this “pretending no one else on earth exists” kind of stuff is at least some part of the reason. The question at issue here aside, white men complaining about people finding racism or sexism everywhere they look doesn’t pass the sniff test. Most or all of these things that people are reporting as offensive are being reported by people you’re clearly not listening to. Further, impact is what matters. If I step on your foot, I apologize, regardless of whether or not it was intentional, because it’s the right thing to do. If someone tells you “that thing you’re saying is offensive or is hurting me” and you say “I didn’t mean it,” and then keep right on doing it, what does it say to the person on the receiving end of it? All anyone that is being “blamed,” as you put it, is being asked to do is to try to do better next time. -- #BlackLivesMatter ____ || \\UTGERS, |---------------------------*O*--------------------------- ||_// the State | Ryan Novosielski - novos...@rutgers.edu || \\ University | Sr. Technologist - 973/972.0922 (2x0922) ~*~ RBHS Campus || \\ of NJ | Office of Advanced Research Computing - MSB C630, Newark `' ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
