On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Eli Barzilay wrote:

> I wasn't claiming that r6rs should be considered via a by-authority
> argument.  Regardless of what you think of it, the r6rs authors are a
> bunch of people who really know what they're talking about, and who
> sat down and took their time to discuss things and write a
> specification.

I don't deny that.  I was very much involved in R6 myself in
contributing to the r6 library system design, implementation,
and testing.  I spent a significant number of hours weekly over
a period of many months on development, testing, private correspondence 
with the editors who invited me to help, commenting, and
so on /with no remuneration/, unlike some of the editors who
are paid for research and get prestige out of it, or people like
you who are paid for Scheme development.
Yet despite all this I for one perceived no slight in this discussion.
The only insult I see is that you are telling me
and others here what we can and cannot discuss.
The majority of posters here have also
contributed significant time and effort towards the
r6 effort in the form of discussions, formal comments, and more.
I don't think they are slighting r6, but
even if they were, many of them have every right to do so.

> And what do "we" get instead?  Huge amount of verbiage that goes back
> to rehashing decisions that were done decades ago -- fexprs were
> dug up from their grave, first class environments were suggested
> (seriously!) as a solution for multiple values, `lambda' as a module
> system replacement, and of course there's yet another wave of defmacro
> nostalgia.  Given this, it's so very unsurprising that unicode and
> case sensitivity is again a hot topic.  Square brackets must be
> waiting just around the corner (and when they do enter the stage, I'll
> wait for the "future extension" argument, which has been used so
> ironically for decades too).

This is what brainstorming is.  Suspending assumptions, even if only
temporarily.  Nothing wrong with having a little fun along the way.

Andre

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