I would suggest that it is more important to get a COC on the RacketCon website than it is to argue over the wording. I would suggest that every day that passes without a CoC on the website adds to the risk that possible racketcon participants might decide not to go... to the detriment of the Racket community.
I really love how welcoming this community is - even more than I love the ideas you put into or expressed with Racket. It is your greatest strength. Kind regards Stephen On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 at 18:55, Norman Gray <[email protected]> wrote: > > Greetings. > > On 19 Jun 2017, at 16:18, John Berry wrote: > > > Nothing about a document saying "hey, don't be an ass" implies that > > the > > reader themselves, or the community, are asses. Only that the > > community > > values not being an ass, and those who might wish to join that > > community > > and not be an ass are welcome, and that those who have had to deal > > with too > > many asses will hopefully find fewer here. > > If the document literally said just 'hey, don't be an ass', or 'don't be > a git', or 'c'mon, behave', then that would be fine. Perhaps it could > have a footnote saying 'Surely you can tell when you're being a git -- > if you for some reason have difficulty with this, then see [link]'. A > text like that presumes that the reader is grown-up, but indicates, for > the avoidance of doubt, that adult civility is indeed expected in the > meeting. > > The problem with the longer text, such as the Strange Loop one[1], is > that it's manifestly _very_ hard to come up with a text that doesn't > radiate censoriousness; and however much this isn't the literal > implication of the text, it does implant the notion that the reader or > the community has behaviour problems. That text does not radiate 'you > are welcome' -- it tells me, 'we have so many gits roaming the corridors > of our conference that we have to police them'. In its phrasing, a text > like this appears to presume that the reader is an undersocialised thug, > who needs to be given an extensive but non-exhaustive list of things to > remember not to do. One has to carefully suppress one's initial > reaction to it, and smile sweetly. > > Also, any text like that almost inevitably acquires a legalistic air, > and just screams out for disputation, and the reddit thread... > > > For the unconvinced, I really appreciated Graydon Hoare's perspective > > on > > why he implemented the Rust CoC. > > https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/6ewjt5/question_ > > about_rusts_odd_code_of_conduct/didrult/ > > https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/6ewjt5/question_ > > about_rusts_odd_code_of_conduct/dif1xvb/ > > ...seems to corroborate this. > > To clarify, this remark is about communication and presentation. The > underlying wish to encourage civility is entirely laudable, and the > experience of being on the wrong end of careless or careful incivility > would be entirely unpleasant and deplorable, and a conference should aim > to discourage such incivility by any available effective mechanisms. > > If, after all, the only effective mechanism is a rule-book such as is > being discussed, then can I commend the FreeBSD code [2] which I think > communicates the underlying goals very well, even though it's primarily > intended to cover behaviour online, rather than face-to-face. To my ear > it benefits from a very slightly old-fashioned air, including the rather > old-fashioned implication that 'we're sure this stuff doesn't really > need to be said, but since you ask...' > > Best wishes, > > Norman > > > [1] https://www.thestrangeloop.com/policies.html > [2] https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html > > -- > Norman Gray : https://nxg.me.uk > SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Racket Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kind regards, Stephen -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
