Well, I am not only using prototype, but e.g. also script.aculo.us libraries.
I won't be able to go through this hassle of adding prefixes on every update of both libraries - that will just not work. If that was _one_ time, I'd do it. Not if I had to do it each and every time an upgrade happens. That would be, crazy, right? What's the sense of reuse if I can't drop it in and it works? What's the sense of open source if I change it and it's not reflected back into the original framework? regards, Martin On 1/3/06, Ryan Gahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Still not understanding why you don't just apply your ideas to your > implementation of prototype.js? Just because it's not in any kind of > official release doesn't mean you can't add prefixes to your copy. And > the prototype library is small enough that if you ever need to upgrade > it, it's not going to take you that long to re-apply the prefixes. > > I'm afraid you're looking for the perfect solution, which I'm afraid > does not exist. I'll bet in the long run it's a better choice to stick > with prototype.js and use your prefix idea rather than spend all the > time to convert to dojo which may not even solve your problem... But I > don't know your project like you do I guess. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Martin Marinschek > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] Status of Prototype > > Ok - then I can't use prototype. It's out of my possibilities to check > with every framework, as I don't have access to all possible > javascript-frameworks a MyFaces user could combine with his > MyFaces-webapps. > > In this case, I'll have to drop prototype and replace everything with > dojo. > Sigh! lots of work to do ;) > > However, I still think that something that makes it a little less > convenient (prefixes are just a few keyboard-hits more) but a lot more > stable to use prototype would be well worth being implemented! > > regards, > > Martin > > On 1/3/06, Ryan Gahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Went to the official Ajile website, downloaded the thing and took a > > look. All I can say is, meh. It's not entirely useful, really. First > of > > all the darn thing is written all on a single line (no carriage > > returns), which I'm assuming was some attempt at saving a few bytes > > (quite annoying). Secondly, it doesn't really do anything helpful > (maybe > > it has some good points). In an attempt at simulating namespaces, the > > author has had to fill an array with every system type he could find > > (maybe all of them, maybe he missed a few), which gets checked any > time > > you try to create or import a namespace, so you don't collide with any > > system defined objects (who knows how many browser-specific > proprietary > > ones were missed). And then all it's really doing in the end is > creating > > shell objects to act like a dot-naming convention for your actual > > objects. So it's a really long way around the problem that basically > is > > (once again) simply renaming functions, only in this case is actually > > adding overhead by having to create shell objects (memory usage) and > > iterate through the massive array of system types. And it in no way > > addresses our REAL problem (as prototype.js users), of the built in > > javascript object prototypes being changed. > > > > So, Martin, once again I have to say if you are using any framework > the > > messes with prototypes, you just have to suck it up and watch out for > > collisions. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Ryan > > Gahl > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:51 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [Rails-spinoffs] Status of Prototype > > > > Brilliant, I never heard of that before, thanks Michael. I'm > definitely > > going to take a look at AJILE :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Michael Peters > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:48 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] Status of Prototype > > > > > > > > Martin Marinschek wrote: > > > Ok, > > > > > > if you guys agree, then I would really think that we should try to > get > > > this into prototype. Why should each and every user necessarily do > > > this if it could fixed by the framework itself? > > > > I wasn't saying that the frameword should do it. I was just > complaining > > about > > the lack of namespaces in Javascript. I think that adding a > 'protoType_' > > extension to every method call and class name would be tedious and > ugly > > (and > > would give me PHP nightmares). > > > > Maybe something like Ajile? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJILE > > > > -- > > Michael Peters > > Developer > > Plus Three, LP > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > The information transmitted in this electronic mail is intended only > for > > the > > person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > confidential, > > proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, > > dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance > upon, > > this information by persons or entities other than the intended > > recipient > > is prohibited. 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