I know, we are having trouble getting enough men to fill the  postistions 
of leaders.  Why couldn't we use Females.  I see nothing wrong with having 
female leaders when  we cant get the men to step forward and take 
responsibility for the Ranger Program.  I know our church is not the only 
church out there were our of 2 or 3 hundred or more that attend you cannot 
get 10 me to work with the boys.  What is wrong with this.  I have to agree 
with John in an earlier post.  We, as commanders, need to get down on our 
knees and do some serious praying that God will send us some good men and 
women to help with the Rangers.  One of our Outpost Council men told me he 
was praying that God would bring in some good men into the church.  That 
shows me he has almost given up on the men in the church that we have.

These boys are our commanders, Deacons, and Pastors of tomorrow.  If we 
cant get enough men to teach them one night a week how do we expect them, 
except through the grace of God, to take over the rains when they get old 
enough to do so.  If they see all our men now just sitting in the pews and 
not doing anything they will think this is how it must be.  Sorry I got on 
my soap box.  It just seems if we had enough men willing to work we would 
not have to wander why our ladies can't help.


Chuck "Iron Buffalo" Holman
Outpost 62
Collinsville First Assembly of God
Collinsville, Illinois


-----Original Message-----
From:   Lewis Bode [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:58 AM
To:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:        Re: [RR] Female leadership in RRs


I know I would be uncomfortable if I went camping with a female commander
even if she wasn't the only leadership there.

This is where my wife and I have a great solution.  My wife and I are the
commander and lt. commander of our Trailblazer-Challenger Patrol.  She is a 
wonderful asset to have in our classroom.  She motivates the boys where I
never could.  I had this same group of boys on my own for 3 years, they
never wanted to do anything. Oh I had a couple who worked. But out of 12
boys that's ridiculous.  When my wife started helping being our outpost
secretary she "REALLY SAW" the problems I was having.  Basically it was a
glorified babysitting nite.  After a while I asked her to help me with the
points and general book work in class.  The problem is I had forgotten that 
she had been in girl scouts for 12 years, missionettes for 9 years (earn 
her
honor star-old type), and help 4 other boys get their GMA.  SHe knew her
stuff.  I started teaching a lashing segment and she quietly approached me
during recreation time.  She showed me that I was doing it wrong.  So now 
we
have this system.  She teaches:  lashing, firecraft, nature, and general
merit work.  I teach:  ropecraft, compass, first aid, general ranger
knowledge, fcf, toolcraft.  It has worked for 2 years now.  She is fully a
part of out patrol with one acception.  She does not go camping with us.
She takes us to the drop points.  Makes sure we have everything.  Sometimes 
helps us set up camp.  But she does not stay overnight at camp.  We have
talked about having a campout where she would stay.  She would have her own 
area.  But we have not pressed it.  I hope this helps.  I feel that
sometimes male commanders can care for the boys and find that they are
hurting as easy as women.  That's just one of the many things that God
blessed women with.  These past 2 years have been great working with my 
wife
in my class.  Since she has been there the entire class has earned their 
God
and Life award, 1 GMA recpient, and 3 more on their Master rating.

God bless.


Lewis "Quietflame" Bode
Trailblazer/Challenger Commander
Outpost 17
1st A/G
Hannibal, MO

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