>Doesn't matter. As long as Shimano dominates, we going to get what
>they want you to get. Even with Sram coming out with its group, which
>btw is Shimano-compatible, you're still have basically proprietary
>systems. That's the way things work. Friction is not coming back. Hey,
>that ship has left, its like trying  get people to use 650b
>wheels:)......Good Luck with that!

Well, fortunately for me, I have stockpiled so much friction gear (a
lot of it NOS.  STI really must have caught the old line makers off
guard because there is so much stuff that never sold out there) to
last me the rest of my riding life.

I think the overly complex - and pricey - new systems is partly behind
so many people going to single speed and fixed even in locations where
some gears at least may help.

It will be interesting to see whether SRAM making Shimano compatible
keeps prices in line.

On Jun 30, 1:37 pm, Brewster Fong <bfd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:> > Finally, I 
> do agree that mfrs want customers loyalty. There going to
> > > design their components to work seamlessly. The fact that its
> > > incompatible with another mfr's system is probably not a
> > > consideration. Good Luck!
>
> > In the good old days of friction shifting, manufacturers won customer
> > loyalty by trying to make ders, shifters and freewheels that looked
> > and worked better than the competition.  The consumer enjoyed the
> > ability to mix and match according to personal need, budget and
> > aesthetics.
>
> Welcome to the 21st Century!  Hey, I ran friction shifting for years.
> In fact, I was the last guy to convert over to ergo in my group. I was
> running a 9 spd set up with Simplex friction shifters!  Today, you
> rarely see anyone with dt or even bar-ends and I bet many of those are
> indexed. Probably 90% of bikes sold today in the US have some sort of
> STI shifter. Shimano dominates and that's it!
>
> > Now the big two make proprietary systems which limit the consumers'
> > ability to make the bike as they want.
> > I guess in one sense you could call this progress.  I really wonder
> > for whom.
>
> Doesn't matter. As long as Shimano dominates, we going to get what
> they want you to get. Even with Sram coming out with its group, which
> btw is Shimano-compatible, you're still have basically proprietary
> systems. That's the way things work. Friction is not coming back. Hey,
> that ship has left, its like trying  get people to use 650b
> wheels:)......Good Luck with that!
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