I have a Cork Berthoud on order as well.  They look great.  Peter
White suggests something to keep the rear bolts secure.  Bees wax
might make the most sense.

On Jul 4, 5:26 am, fenderbender <pedal_kr...@yahoo.se> wrote:
> Thanks, blond it is then! I've always wanted a bike with curly lugs
> and brown lether bits but never had the patience to save up for one.
> So I couldn't believe my eyes when this unused frame turned up in the
> local classifieds at a bargain price. The seller even lowered price
> without me asking! If it's any comfort for you it's on the small side,
> but I hope a Technomic will sort thing out. :)
>
> I do like the classic looks of black too. But all my other saddles are
> black/dark brown and I just thought i should get some variation in my
> life.
> Just spoken to my "bike pimp" about it but he also happens to be the
> importer of Gilles Berthoud gear in these parts of the woods. So he is
> obviously very keen on selling me a Berthoud creation instead. Here I
> am trying to be rational keeping the cost down. But one look at the
> "cork" coloured saddles and I forget all about the honey and
> instinctively reach for the 
> wallet!http://wallbike.com/blog/category/saddles/berthoud/
>
> The price here is in the neighbourhood of the ti-railed Brooks so I
> might wait a bit and use one of my old saddles for now. I'm told
> Berthoud has a equivalent to the Swift on the way that might fit my
> behinds better. Anyone know when it will turn up in the shops? :P
>
> On 2 Juli, 21:20, "John Stoesser" <jstoes...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have an early 80's Mercian in a very similar (if not identical) Blue with
> > pale Gray Head tube, black letters and pinstriping. I decided to go with a
> > Black Brooks. Maybe I'm too predictable. I love (spelled envious) your
> > Vincitore. I'm trying to decide whether to buy a King of Mercia, Bombadil,
> > or Waterford Adventure Cycle for my touring rig.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of fenderbender
> > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:37 PM
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Brooks Swift or B17 Narrow, ti or steel rails?
>
> > Thanks for those replies! Very grateful because I have to order on the net.
> > One reason for me asking is that besides my four Swift (bought next to new
> > from friends that gave in to quick!) I have two Ideal steel railed
> > heavyweights. This are on my commuters and there is a big differens in feel.
> > The Ideal transmit much more road buzz than the ti-railed Swift.
> > But I would imagine that Brooks use a bit narrower and more flexible steel
> > rails than the old Ideal's and the leather are getting old and hard.
> > Just remembered I have some old titanium seatpost that could ad some
> > dampening but I would have to get the right shims. Ok, definitely going for
> > steel rails this time. Thanks!
>
> > So whats your verdict on Brooks colours then? Got me some raw hides and
> > brown leather paint, but can't decide what seat to get. The frame I'm
> > dressing up is a Mercian Vincitore Special (yeah, wrong forum :) with a Ice
> > Blue Pearl paint job and white windows:http://i35.tinypic.com/2cwu78g.jpg
> > Either a young-nordic-blond-honey or a stuffy-british-antique-brown
> > seat-bars-mudflap-theme? 
> > ;)http://www.brookssaddles.com/en/Shop_ProductPage.aspx?cat=saddles+-+r...
> > +mtb&prod=Swift+Chrome
>
> > On 1 Juli, 16:10, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > We had a big discussion on this over in the Peter White Forum a
> > > couples week back - in the Berthoud Saddle Introductory Thread.
>
> > > Peter, I and some others argued that whatever minor difference in
> > > shock absorption may exist between steel, Ti and Carbon would be
> > > completely overwhelmed by the differences in one piece of leather to
> > > the next.
>
> > > Leather is an organic compound.  There is no way leather on every
> > > saddle is not going to be at least slightly different from the other.
> > > 99.9% of the feel of the saddle will be in the leather.
>
> > > If you do not mind paying extra, and the minor weight saving is
> > > important to you, go with the Ti.  For my money, I would go with the
> > > steel and spend some of the savings on leather conditioners and maybe
> > > a real nice saddle cover.
>
> > > On Jul 1, 4:24 am, fenderbender <pedal_kr...@yahoo.se> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi!
> > > > I'm very pleased with the Swift ti's I've fitted to my current fleet
> > > > of bikes. But due to the resent price hike I must question my
> > > > reasons for buying the titanium rail versions. As I now have two
> > > > more builds near compleation that need some seating but my funds are
> > > > limited. One is a resurrectio and the other a lovely vanity bike.
>
> > > > Anyone tried both the Swift and B17 Narrow and could tell me the
> > > > difference in "feal"?
>
> > > > Is the dampening of the steel rails that much different too that of
> > > > the ti-version, and does it excuse the added cost?
>
> > > > Thanks and Keep 'em rolling!- Dölj citerad text -
>
> > > - Visa citerad text -- Dölj citerad text -
>
> > - Visa citerad text -
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