Thanks.  These are great options and confirmed my suspicions that I should 
be watching the used market as well.  I always want to buy new but ended up 
believing a better value and better product can be sourced from the past, 
so to speak.

I would love to find a 47cm or 50 cm Riv frame - especially an Atlantis - 
that could be build up by my local shop, Blue Heron Bicycles.

Curious to know how folks feel about the San Marcos versus the used Riv 
option.  I'm taken aback a bit about the long top tube on even the smaller 
frames.

Regards,

LL

On Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:19:04 PM UTC-4, Lesli Larson wrote:
>
> I'm helping a friend source a new (or possibly) used bike to replicate my 
> own Riv custom which has a 50cm seat tube and a 50 cm top tube.  My bike, 
> originally a rando rig, is now set up with porteur bars, inverse levers, 
> wider brooks saddle, honjos and 38c grand bois tires.  It's such a fun bike 
> to ride.  In my friends words, the bike changed her life, or at least, 
> attitude about bike fit and comfort.  My friend and I are both 5'3 and ride 
> bikes in the 48cm to 50 cm range.
>
> I've been shopping around for a stock 650b frame for her that could be 
> built up into an upright, go fast, weekender bike.  We're in the Surly/Soma 
> budget when it comes to the frame.  Sadly, most of these bikes seems to be 
> made for 700c wheels or have extra long top tubes (even for bikes that are 
> 47cm).  
>
> Send me your frame suggestions.  Right now, our target is the Soma San 
> Marcos which I believe takes 650b in smaller sizes.   We're working with a 
> terrific shop in Brooklyn.  I just wanted to solicit the group for any 
> extra knowledge of stock frames that we might also want to evaluate.     
>
> Regards,
>
> Lesli Larson
> Eugene, Oregon
>

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