As for kids I don't have any but have some over at the house sometimes and
I find the precocious behavior displayed in much of children's specific
programs is pretty intolerable.  There's no way I would accept any child
talking the way they do on some of these TV shows.

For me, I could not live without my DVR. I cannot stand commercials, and
yes I think they are more unbearable than ever.  If it wasn't for DVR I
would pull the plug again, and go cable free, streaming only.  But my wife
likes Oprah Winfrey Network, and I like the home improvement shows on
HGTV/DIY.  So we filter what we have to endure by never watching anything
live.  Maybe someday an Internet connection will be enough, but for now the
cable companies are something of a cartel, i.e., they have some of the
interesting content I want and can't get separately.  If I could buy the
content I want on cable networks a-la-carte I would do so in a heartbeat.

On a side note, one of the great things about the older style of bikes is
that you can customize them a-la-carte.  I was on a 600K brevet this last
weekend and someone who had a top of the line carbon fiber Felt with D/A
electronic shifting had his shifter quit working after he had a flat.  I
surmise that something got knocked loose when he turned the bike over to
change the flat.  At any rate he had to ride the rest of the first day and
all of the 2nd day - approximately 150 miles - with two gears, that being,
those in the front.  I was needling him about getting a setup with shifter
cables, since I had a spare shift cable in my bag, but then I realized that
his bike probably doesn't even have provisioning to have shifter cables,
since I'm sure they build it as a proprietary integrated system with the
electronic shifting.

The guy is an extremely strong rider despite being over 65, so he was able
to take only having his two front gears in stride, and was helped by the
2nd day being a much flatter route east of Austin.  But still it reminds me
of why I ride what I would consider a normal bike.

Electronic shifting is cool in theory, especially for IT guys like me, but
sometimes tried and true low tech methods are better.  He told me
afterwards that he hooked his laptop to the derailer to troubleshoot.  Um,
if you have to carry a laptop to troubleshoot, what's the point of having a
15 pound bike in the first place?

I might ride a bike with electronic shifting if I was doing one of those
ultra-racing type events with a car following me.  Then, if the damn thing
breaks, I'd just grab my Rivendell off the top of the follow car.

But anyway, I digress...

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anton Tutter <atut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Speaking of media, we also find that after living essentially ad-free
> since 2006 (as not only do we not have a TV, but we also only listen to
> college radio stations of which there is an abundance with great
> programming in our area), it's become unbearable listening to ads when
> spending holidays at the in-laws. Have they gotten more obnoxious since
> then, or have I just become sensitized to them from not having them?
>
> Anton
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:33:52 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote:
>>
>> Amen, Patrick.  We've been TV-free since 2006, right after my second
>> daughter was born. Will never go back.
>>
>> And the kids don't have phones, video games, or iPads. But they have more
>> bookshelves chock full of books than their parents do, and a big old
>> fashioned chalk board salvaged from school trash to draw on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:18:37 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy
>>> plastic or electronic toys toys.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
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