My son has a Ram. Great bike, but I don't see it handling 50 pounds of
gear for a tour with aplomb, because I don't think 50 pounds of gear
will work well with the 28 mm tires which are the biggest his Ram will
handle.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just disassembled, cleaned, and packed the Ram frame and discovered for
> the first time in 2 years that it has a 3d set of water bottle cage braze
> ons on the underside of the down tube.
>
> As to weight: I used mine largely as a grocery bike, and I know it handles
> 30 lb in the rear, on a stiff rack -- Fly, in my case -- with aplomb. I've
> even carried 45 lb in a single rear pannier (bought more heavy stuff than I
> had planned for) and, while the bike waggled and tended to swerve to the
> loaded side during transitions from sitting to standing, it was, that apart,
> surprisingly docile.
>
> My Ram carried heavy rear loads better than my custom, which has longer
> chainstays, for what that's worth.
>
> I daresay that with 30 lb evenly distributed in the rear and 10 or 20 lb
> evenly distributed in front, you'd have a very nice handling tourer.
>
> Of the many, many bikes I've used for heavy rear grocery loads, the Ram is
> up there with the other one that stands out as exceptional, and it was,
> oddly enough, a lightweight all 531 1973 Motobecane Grand Record.
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Greg J <gregkj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Late to the discussion, but my wife and I rode down from San Francisco to
>> Santa Barbara a few years ago, and she was on her Ram. We rode at a
>> leisurely pace, stopping at motels on the way.  As I recall, she had a
>> Riv/Carradice front bag and a set of rear panniers (although could have been
>> a Carradice Nelson). We had no issues, not even a flat, and it was a great
>> trip.  So I would not worry about whether the Ram is an optimal light
>> tourer, though it is close.  At that time, we probably used 28s.
>>
>> Also, FYI, her early Ram (orange) is now wearing Jack Browns, but no
>> fenders.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 7:57:10 AM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to all for sharing your thoughts and experiences.  It confirms my
>>> belief that the Ram is perfect for my plans.  Can anyone get some Spring to
>>> the NE ?
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Tom Goodmann <tgoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, all, for a discussion that confirms my current effort to buy a
>>>> Ram frame and fork. I've been looking for a Heron Road, enjoying a Heron
>>>> Touring model already (though not as carefully built up as yours, Olof
>>>> Stroh).  I got no response to my replies to a CL post for a 58 Heron Road,
>>>> but am now after a 60 Ram, getting ready to move on from an RB-T, as I 
>>>> think
>>>> the Rambouillet will fit me better.  I plan to build it up lightly for
>>>> longer local rides, anticipating the flexibility that it shares with other
>>>> Rivs. Now, to close the deal!  --Tom (Miami, FL)
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