Ha! Yes, you're totally correct. I only mention Surly as their otherwise great bikes seem to have that one error. And it's not a QBP thing as Salsa has relatively tall headtubes on even their racey bikes like the Warbird. I'm sure there's a reason for it it, probably that it's easier to add spacers but you can't take it away.
As for threadless question... I'm moving pretty strongly into the prefer threadless camp. It seems like a pretty good change away from a good but fiddly design to something that works well for me. Open face stems alone make it worthwhile! On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Eric Daume <ericda...@gmail.com> wrote: > 29ers are even worse. There are a lot of XL 29ers out there with a > 100~110mm head tube. It's ridiculous. To get the bars at saddle height, us > tall folks will need 50-80mm of spacers, which looks dorky. > > Eric > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 1:43 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I wish Surly would have proportionately taller head tubes on their bikes. >> They are across the board 20-30mm too short IMHO. The 60cm Crosscheck for >> example has a 160mm headtube. To my way of thinking, that should be 190mm. >> 180 would be a good compromise. Then you could get rid of 30mm of spacers >> on the steerer, which would help it look cleaner and less hacky. >> I guess they don't want to alienate the 'Slam dat stem' crowd... :-) >> >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Jeremy Till <jeremy.t...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The vast majority of production bikes come with pre-cut steerers, and >>> how much they are cut depends on the manufacturer. Generally it's rare to >>> have more than 40mm of adjustment above the headset upper. In fact, the >>> fork is usually fully installed, and all we do at the shop is maybe install >>> the stem and assure proper headset adjustment. I usually like to move the >>> stem to its highest possible setting (top of the spacer stack, flipped for >>> rise). >>> >>> The QBP brands (Salsa and Surly) are a notable exception, with every >>> size coming with a fork that has yet to be installed, with the steerer >>> uncut and without the star nut not pressed in. When I was service manager >>> at a shop, I mandated that we leave the steerers uncut on these bikes. >>> However, that does make things difficult with a lot of customers who don't >>> understand how threadless forks work or why anyone would want to run their >>> bars that high. Their aesthetic first impressions (all too often a >>> critical part of bike buying) are totally thrown off by the spacer stack, >>> and if they test ride the bike with a "normal" stem height they're unnerved >>> by the extra spacer stack above the stem threatening to poke them in the >>> solar plexus. So, there are downsides for the retailer who leaves them >>> uncut. >>> >>> Yes, Rivendell avoids all this with 1" threaded headsets and quill stems >>> but from a mechanical perspective, threadless is really superior. With >>> steel steerer tubes there is no practical limit to how high you can run the >>> bars above the headset. In fact, a high bar setup feels much more solid >>> with a threadless stem than with a quill stem, and headset adjustment is >>> far easier. Of course, as James and others have pointed out, achieving >>> Riv-esque bar height with a threadless setup requires slightly more >>> deliberate choices on the part of the bike designer and bike assembler. >>> >>> With carbon steerers becoming de rigeur on high-end bikes, there is much >>> more of a practical limit on how high you want to run a stem. I'm sure >>> different manufacturers would say different things but I would never want >>> to run a carbon fork with more that about 40 or 50mm of spacers max. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 9:38:07 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: >>> >>>> How do you determine where to cut the steerer tubes on your threadless >>>> floor model road bikes when assembling? >>>> >>>> Is there a standard human bar height that works for everyone shops go >>>> by? Do you cut them higher for LHTruckers and other touring models? >>>> >>>> My local shops cut low but sometimes they do some a little higher than >>>> usual. Was wondering. With RBW bikes, we have slot of options with quill >>>> stems. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> >> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace >> >> "it isn't a contest. 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