One other note: 

My comment "you're going to get wet" is not necessarily true if you're not 
riding hard. Then the balance between sweat rate and waterproofness is 
different.

I dry off pretty quickly once the rain stops with the stuff I outlined 
above. Internally-generated heat and the wind blast helps with the 
evaporation rate, and I put layers back in the handlebar bag as they dry 
out (usually rain cape, rain gloves, arm warmers, leg warmers, in that 
order), and before I get sweaty and start wetting out the inner layers.

Best,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO


On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 4:44:29 PM UTC-6, William deRosset 
wrote:
>
> Dear Patrick,
>
> I get wet on all-day rides if it is raining, either from wind-driven rain, 
> or from my own cooling system. I can stay comfortable, but I won't stay dry.
>
> I've tried cotton analogy. Yep, it is great stuff, but it doesn't keep up 
> with my sweat rate if I'm riding hard. 
>
> Others: I don't sweat out single-layer Ventile (I've owned a few over the 
> years), but it wets out from the rain. I sweat out double-layer Ventile (my 
> current general use jacket is a Hilltrek Greenspot jacket), but it is 
> effectively waterproof for walking around and the like, and it is a 
> wonderful backpacking jacket. The synthetic waterproof-breatheables don't 
> keep up either (or the various gore-tex products, e-vent, and a couple of 
> Patagonia WP+B things). The best for cycling is a heavily-vented waterproof 
> or waterproof-breathable, and those leak at the openings--wet again.
>
> My favorite commuting jacket is a lined cotton poplin jacket (like the 
> Greenspot).
>
> I pays my money and makes my choice. 
>
> Best,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 3:22:15 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> The notion that "you're going to get wet" if it rains all day and you're 
>> out in it is not true. Demand better from your clothing, because it is 
>> possible. Cotton Analogy (I believe only available from Hilltrek, keeps me 
>> dry all day regardless of activity level. There is no need to settle for 
>> trying to stay warm and wet when you can have dry and wet. 
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>

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