In my opinion, anybody who wants to buy a sub $2000 steel frameset that 
allows them to get their handlebars LOW can find one.  If they love their 
handlebars LOW, then Rivendell Bicycle Works is probably not their best 
first choice.  LOW handlebar road bikes are not that difficult to find in 
the marketplace.  If there is somebody who is fiercely loyal to Rivendell 
and refuse to buy a bike anywhere else, and are equally intent on slamming 
that stem, then they are going to have to make a choice.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA  

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 7:56:01 AM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I ride with bars 1.3 below saddle.
> That maxes out my blue Sam. But I'm at 1.3 below saddle and it is great.
> If I wanted lower I'd have to cut the steerer.
> But I don't want lower. So it works out great.
> However, when I bought it I didn't know you couldn't go any lower on this 
> bike. If I was someone who liked lower, I would have had to return the 
> frame. 
>
> The Joe, and all the other sub-2k$ frames look like you can't get 
> handlebar height below saddle. Someone would have to confirm. They look 
> like they have really high exit points, sloping tubes, and steerer stacks. 
> If this is true, then there would  no longer be sub-2k$ RBW frames 
> available, new, for people who like riding bars below saddle. Just making 
> an observation. Someone would have to confirm.
>

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