Hi Sean,
I think the most important thing you have mentioned is that you want to 
rive very upright.  I own a cross check and an LHT.  I recently bought my 
wife a Rivendell (Betty Foy) because I could not get the cross check that I 
bought for her to be comfortable at all.  We almost bought the San Marcos 
but she liked the Betty better.

As you likely know the cross check is the same geometry as the straggler. 
 The primary problem they have is that they have a race geometry and a 
cyclocross race geometry at that.  The cyclocross geometry raises the 
bottom bracket a couple of centimeters so this in turn will put the rider 
in a higher position in relation to the bars which will make it feel like 
the bars are really low like a racing bike.  Look at the bottom bracket 
drop number for each bike.  The BB drop for the cross check will be much 
lower, meaning the cranks are higher off the ground (to clear logs and 
obstacles, etc.)

On the other hand, the Soma San Marcos has a really long head tube with a 
quill stem with will boost the handlebars way up!  

Here is a picture of my wife's (now my daughter's) cross check.

REB Cross Check <https://flic.kr/p/iPwxpw>

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 9:38:38 AM UTC-7, se...@austin.utexas.edu 
wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I am contemplating a new bike build for long distance riding (centuries, 
> rando rides, etc.). I have neck issues so comfort is a must. I currently 
> ride and commute on a LHT with a very upright riding position. I'm 
> considering a Soma (Riv) San Marcos or a Surly 650B Straggler. Both 
> are appealing in different ways. As a former Rambouillet owner, I miss the 
> Riv geometry and liveliness but the Straggler has the ability to handle 
> 42mm tires and has brakes (of which I was a reluctant convert but now 
> love...I know..."retrogrouch heresy!").
>
> From a recent post it seems the San Marcos is very well regarded. Both 
> frames are 650B (needed for my short stature - frame size 50-52). Any one 
> have experience with both? Hard to find info/reviews on the 650B Straggler. 
> San Marcos might be a more lively long distance ride, but the disc brakes 
> and versatility of the Straggler sure is appealing. Would probably set both 
> up with pull back bars of some sort.
>
> Thanks for any insight!
>
> Sean
> ATX
>

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