On 02/02/2016 06:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

So, when I pull the cable I do as many clicks it takes to make it shift, and if it overshifted some I trim it back. Many people like me grew up shifting bicycles back when *every shift (every single shift) in the pull the cable direction required you to overshift and release.* It's second nature. It's nice that I don't have to do it on every shift, but I know how to do it. The clicks NEVER prevent me from being able to put the derailleur exactly where it needs to be. My job is to put the derailleur exactly where it needs to be. The shifter's job is to not prevent me from doing my job. I use these shifters (including on hills) and I know how to use them and I like them.

Campagnolo Nuovo Record, right? That one was a later shifter and really demanded overshift and release. Some of the others, not so much. As I recall it, the early Shimano - Crane, for example - Sun Tour VGT were early shifters and didn't require much if any overshift.

So this Sun Race should be thought of as a coarse ratchet? I can see where that could be rather confusing to someone with no experience with ratcheting friction shifters who is expecting clicking to mean indexing.

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