Mark Without question, if you position your derailer perfectly with your shifters and then just ride down the road and your derailer after a while moves itself because your shifter allows it to move with insufficient friction, that's unacceptable. The other posters on this thread who don't like those shifters are mostly complaining about where the clicks are in one direction and that those clicks unnecessarily force them to position their derailer incorrectly. I think it's a totally different problem. That little 4mm allen bolt is the only way to increase the friction in the system. If you really have cranked down on that, and the shifter is still failing to hold the derailer in position, then that shifter should be replaced and you shouldn't have to pay for it. Friction shifters with insufficient friction to hold the derailer in position are useless.
Those stem shifters that you are holding up against the stem? You are holding them up backwards. Turn them around the right way and you'll see they won't interfere. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 8:50:21 PM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > Just to clarify one user's perspective--I have lots of experience with > non-STI shifters: ratcheting shifters, smooth shifters, thumb shifters, > Positron shifters, indexed, non-indexed. I toured Tuscany with bar ends > hooked up to a ten-speed cassette no problem. When I had a motor vehicle, > it was manual. I know how to shift. I like to shift. I prefer friction > shifting. I understand the very simple mechanics involved, and I have > installed and repaired shifters. The clicks on these are not an issue for > me. The issue is that, as delivered from Riv, and as experienced by me, and > despite various adjustments, something appears to be causing the particular > shifters that are on my Clem to not hold the cable in tension at some > point, causing unwanted shifts. Is it user error? I don't rule it out. I > made a mistake once. But others are having the very same issue, which makes > me think: > > A. There may be some factor involving how these shifters must be set up > that we all are doing wrong the same way. > > B.Maybe I am doing one silly little thing incorrectly, despite my > troubleshooting. > > C. Maybe some of these shifters are defective, and cannot keep the cable > in proper tension under certain conditions. > > > Of course I understand that, if I don't like it, I can change them out. I > really don't need guidance for that decision, though. I think the idea of a > query like this on the forum is more to see if somebody out there has a > suggestion, or had a similar problem and fixed it by doing x, or y. Because > other than the fact that they are not working all that well, I like them > okay, and they are part of the bicycle I just paid a bunch of money for. To > keep insisting that it must be user error, or friction is not for everyone > (but it's great for me!) is not all that helpful, even if it turns out to > be the case. I mean, it's friction shifting a bicycle, not trying to > parse Sarah Palin > <http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/sarah-palins-english/>. > > Meanwhile, back in the lab, I am pondering several solutions, including a > swanky set of vintage SunTour stem mounted power shifters that I just dug > up out of my parts cabinet. > > > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tOPIJVzMtZg/VrGC9F5t3-I/AAAAAAAAF9M/LEpSIqfspoM/s1600/DSC01644.JPG> > > My only concern is will these things clear the "V" in the Bullmoose? I > might need to raise the bar a bit or try some other tweak. Also need to do > some de-rustification. > > Mark "not shiftless since about 1971" in Beacon > > >> On 02/02/2016 06:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> >> So, when I pull the cable I do as many clicks it takes to make it shift, >> and if it overshifted some I trim it back. Many people like me grew up >> shifting bicycles back when *every shift (every single shift) in the >> pull the cable direction required you to overshift and release.* It's >> second nature. It's nice that I don't have to do it on every shift, but I >> know how to do it. The clicks NEVER prevent me from being able to put the >> derailleur exactly where it needs to be. My job is to put the derailleur >> exactly where it needs to be. The shifter's job is to not prevent me from >> doing my job. I use these shifters (including on hills) and I know how to >> use them and I like them. >> >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
