Thanks for all the information and advice, folks.  It will help me
decide whether or not to install an elegant but heavy Alfine system.

Alex

On Dec 7, 9:21 am, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Simplicity as in one shifter to cover a wide-range of gear ratios.  A 1X9
> system would work just as well, but I've observed newbies/kids don't get the
> whole two-shifters thing.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 12:02 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
> > > I think using one in wet & mucky conditions would be a pretty good set
> > > up.  I wouldn't want one as I'm always changing flats due to
> > > thorns/debris and don't want to mess w/ an IGH.  Also, IGHs seem like
> > > a cool deal for kids who are learning to shift and/or someone learning
> > > or re-learning to ride.  Simplicity is nice!
>
> > Other than needing to keep pedalling while the shift completes, what's
> > any more difficult about derailleur shifting than IG hub shifting?  I
> > find brifter action confusing - but then, I seem to be the only one who
> > does, and I find twist grip shifters confusing, too.  Triggers, bar ends
> > and down tube shifters all make perfect sense.
>
> > And when it comes to "simplicity" the only thing "simple" about an
> > internal geared hub is that it's all hidden inside the hub shell.  It's
> > far more complex mechanically than a derailleur drive train, it's just
> > that you can't see it.
>
> > And when it comes to removing a wheel, either to transport the bike or
> > to fix a flat, derailleur wins hands down.  There are no complicated
> > linkages to remove, and you have quick releases to allow for tool-free
> > opening.
>
> > Maintenance?  Removing the chain's no more difficult with one or the
> > other, although obviously tensioning the chain correctly is harder with
> > an internal geared hub than a derailleur, especially if you have
> > vertical dropouts.  Can cleaning a derailleur be all that hard?
>
> > I'd say the bottom line is, IG hubs have one advantage: you can shift
> > without moving the cranks.
>
> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> > > <thill....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >         (BTW, I'm cringing at the idea of installing one of these
> > >         heavy/draggy/
> > >         hard-to-fix hubs on a fine bicycle like a Rambouillet, which
> > >         will
> > >         require strange cable routing, a chain tensioner, etc. I have
> > >         worked
> > >         on and ridden MANY of these, and still don't fully understand
> > >         the
> > >         appeal for most bikes... What the heck is wrong with modern
> > >         derailleurs?)
>
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> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
> "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something
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