Bill:

You have an Atlantis and the Appaloosa is a candidate for a 2 week tour?  
That's either high praise or heresy, I'm not sure which.  In any case, the 
Appaloosa sounds like one hell of a bike.  Longer chainstays, whodda 
thunk?  

dougP

On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 4:06:37 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Comparing the Appaloosa to the Hillborne in my case is not quite a fair 
> comparison because my Hillborne is set up as kind of a go-fast.  Anyway, I 
> still don't have fenders on the Appaloosa but weather cooperated today.  I 
> rode from the El Cerrito Hills down into downtown Berkeley for a business 
> meeting.  Luckily a shop with free bike parking was nearby, so I didn't 
> have to lock it up.  It's a short steep climp followed by a long twisty 
> descent down Arlington Ave into Berkeley.  The Appaloosa rode "like a 
> Rivendell".  That is to say predictable, solid, neutral.  Does what you 
> want, doesn't do what you don't want.  
>
> One surprise to some may be that I couldn't tell the chainstays were long. 
>  It had me asking myself the opposite to what habitual Grant-haters will 
> ask.  A habitual knee-jerk Grant-hater will ask with a sneer "why is it 
> necessary to make the chainstays that long?  What problem is Grant 
> solving?".  I found myself asking the opposite.  Why *not* make them that 
> long?  What am I losing by having longer chainstays?  I can't feel any 
> difference, so they might as well be long, I'm thinking.  Longer absolutely 
> gives me more pannier room heel clearance.  Longer has to be more stable in 
> some way.  Longer looks weird, so if I'm an inflexible traditionalist I'll 
> be offended by the weirdness (I'm not).  Longer makes it harder to fit in a 
> bike locker.  Longer makes it heavier, I guess.  
>
> I like the Choco-moose bars a lot, but I've got them slammed.  The cheap 
> V-brakes feel like cheap V-brakes in my hand, but they stop well.  The 
> stock ugly saddle is really comfy.  The stock Kenda Kwick Bitumen tires are 
> fine, at least as nice as the Schwalbe Marathon Extremes I have on my 
> Atlantis.  I might be tempted to try some Soma Supple Vitesse 700x42s on 
> there sometime, but I'm in no hurry to do that.  The Silver rear hub is 
> kind of loudish.  I might try to quiet that up some.  
>
> Maybe next week I'll take it on my 40 mile commute from home to the 
> office.  So far, so good.  Next year (2017) I get a 6-week paid sabbatical, 
> and I'm trying to reserve two weeks of that for a tour.  The Appaloosa is a 
> candidate to be the bike I take.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> Great set up.  I only got to test ride the Joe at Riv a little bit in the 
>> rain but I loved the smooth feel and fat tires.  How does the ride compare 
>> to your Hillborne?  I had thought about trading my 56 Sam for the 55 Joe 
>> just to get the ability to up the tire size.  Wasn't sure it would be a 
>> change in the right direction for me.  I'd be interested in your comparison 
>> impressions.
>>
>> Enjoy your new ride.
>> John
>>
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:06:12 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TGknDxbi0EI/VtzT6oovnsI/AAAAAAAADJU/5wJn6nZf9Cs/s1600/IMG_0851.JPG>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nnvhcJ2QMqE/VtzT2SEq3fI/AAAAAAAADJQ/zPkMXKstU3Y/s1600/IMG_0852.JPG>
>>> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night 
>>> for a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most 
>>> part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed 
>>> Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the 
>>> forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked 
>>> with amber.  
>>>
>>> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured 
>>> the Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm 
>>> Appaloosa.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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