My main consumable's source.
Jerry's been a friend since I moved to the city:
https://goo.gl/photos/pFgnczoVJEDF84Ti7 I ride by the shop twice a day on
my commute.
Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
> The day of the "generic bike" is fast coming indeed ! Like how so
> many cars and SUV's all tend to look alike these days within their certain
> "category" . I honestly cannot tell what's what other than the name plate.
>
> I'm a little "slow" when it comes to "new" bike technologies , and
> joyfully so. I still run 6-7 speed freewheels for the simple reason, hark
> .... it works and I don't need more cogs ! Cant-I-leave-her brakes .....
> hark .... it works and* look ma, I can stop my bike too* ! I remember a
> rare meet around here with a roadie about my 1999 Franklin frame and
> freewheel setup, he spoke it as being somehow "old" ! Ahahahaha , really ?
> I had not really noticed as I was after all , riding it. Doh ! Age of
> anything present is irrelevant to me. Notice how they are so many "old"
> mtb's and road bikes being bought and sold these days. They all will need
> parts indefinitely and there will be parts for them. Disc brakes are here
> to stay but this does not relegate any other type of brake at all, there is
> plenty of room for all of it.
>
> I'm sure Andy has been to Kraynicks bike shop in Pittsburgh a whole lot
> more than I have, it's a treasure trove of new "old" stuff. Love that place
> ! It's not only great for parts but also the self service shop in the rear
> of the store.
>
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 3:41:48 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> That path of deception by function got us to the cartridge bottom bracket
>> and cartridge bearing headsets ("OEM factories and LBSs don't prep frames
>> for headsets and BBs"). "Oh, these work so much better than the old ones"
>> when pointing this out was easier than addressing the complex issue of
>> standardized bicycle mechanic certification, repair shop functions and the
>> number of "warranty" replacement parts being subsidized due to incomplete
>> preparation, installation and adjustment at factories and shops all over.
>>
>> Disc brakes don't obligate wheels to be round, true or dished properly,
>> the braking surface is nearly inert and hard to screw up. The frame
>> fixtures for calipers remove most adjustments (hard to screw up so much as
>> to be a liability). Troubling to hear local riders talk about how often
>> they use up pads. Many riders are carrying a set on long trail rides if
>> they expect mud. That defines both their ability to discern pad wear,
>> potential disc damage and trailside ability to drop in some new ones.
>>
>> I spent my licensed youth buying, fixing, driving and laddering up old
>> cars that were interesting. Not cars resistant to the abuses of mass market
>> consumers' use. I loved that they did more with less, had simplicity on
>> their side and performed under my foot and hand as long as I used my
>> discrimination and didn't over do it.
>>
>> I really enjoyed working my way up to my first "store bought" vehicle and
>> found that the new cars became soulless in their correction of things I
>> didn't find to be faults, but consumers buying cars as appliances did.
>> Bicycles follow this course in a slower manner. A Porsche 911 Turbo 4S can
>> go 200 MPH, 0-60 in 2.5 seconds and corner at 1.09 g, but you can't get a
>> manual transmission or have any fun using it in real world where I live.
>>
>> I ensure I am supplied with bikes that are fun to my uses, big parts
>> makers and bike companies aside. They'll get it occasionally, like with
>> bigger tires, but I don't wait for them and their component makers to show
>> me that path.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:22:38 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>>
>>> "Money trail" and "investment world" sure make this sound
>>> big-time--conspiratorial, even! But then again, all bicycles and bicycle
>>> parts cost money. It's not quite as simple as, "Hey, let's come up with
>>> something completely different so we can make more money." The way our
>>> economy is set up, combined with the enormous inputs of energy, basically
>>> requires us to make more and more stuff to sell and buy. Everything is
>>> continually expected to rise, and as long as there is 1. the flow of cheap
>>> to produce energy, 2. a debt load that is in proportion to what can
>>> reasonably be expected to be produced and earned in the future, and 3. a
>>> working force that can afford the products being churned out, everything is
>>> hunky dory. Which basically describes the 1950s and 60s in the U.S.
>>> Unfortunately for us, none of these conditions applies any longer. (The
>>> price of oil may be cheap right now, but not the price to retrieve it from
>>> the earth, which is what matters. The price is low because the workers are
>>> being squeezed, which sends the economy down, and the need for oil drops,
>>> etc. Until one day, the "recovery" part of the cycle just doesn't happen.)
>>>
>>> Again, the interesting angle to me in Grant's piece is not this brake is
>>> better than that brake, but the increasing complexity of bicycles, and the
>>> issue of diminishing marginal returns. Which is also related to energy
>>> inputs. The more energy a society has at its disposal, the more complex it
>>> will become. You can go from there to Tainter's The Collapse of Complex
>>> Societies. In other words, disc brakes = Apocalypse. Please brake
>>> responsibly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 6:59:05 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Benz has got it ...... always follow the money trial . Hey, people
>>>> that know a whole lot more about the investment world than I or anyone
>>>> here
>>>> does know the money trail does not lie. They know the product is but a
>>>> means to the end, profit, or else they would not waste a moment on it. So
>>>> the merits of the product are quite secondary or even irrelavant , so all
>>>> this arguing over it is futile as as long as thè product is profitable it
>>>> is going to be sold,.
>>>>
>>>> Who has has noticed, the only purpose of a debate is the debate itself,
>>>> there are no winners or losers. Debates never end as the subject just
>>>> shifts to another one. Well, they end when you catch on that is .......
>>>> and
>>>> you laugh wih Eternity the Eternal laughter of Joy .
>>>
>>>
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