Thanks, all, for the replies. I think part of the issue was the Dura Ace 7900 down tube shifters are indexed and that road indexing did not match the mountain rear derailleur. If there as an indexing failure, I couldn't fall back to friction. I read through this article from that discussed a lot of these issues. It is from last November, so not too far out of date. http://www.cyclingabout.com/wider-gear-range-road-shifters-gears-for-easier- hill-climbing/
That article linked to this resource: http://www.cyclingabout.com/gear-ratios-how-to-select-touring-bike-gearing/ I could try to have Brian get something working, but it might end up being a hack that didn't work and may require more than one attempt. I'm not sure it is worth it at this point when there is a known good recommended solution that has been in successful long term use. It's not quite the dream I originally had, but I emailed Brian to go ahead with the 3x9 and bar ends. It will give me a gear range of about 19 - 122 inches. If it proves too problematic for me to adjust to, I can always change it later. Or, if it turns out I really can't stand it not living up to my expectations, it will be a standard Riv setup for easier sale. I can't really imagine that happening, though. It might turn out to fit well with my retro-tech setup, 9-speed with radar tail light and bike computer. :) Thanks again. Tim On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 9:21 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Shimano changes only apply to brifters or MTB shifters where in 10 > speeds you cannot mix. Not to barend shifters or downtube shifters. The > front is still friction and the rear is indexed correctly for both 9 or 10 > speeds. And the derailleurs are irrelevant. > > René > > On Thursday, August 25, 2016, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> I haven't tied den thie whole thread, but I have that exact setup in my >> Atlantis and it works perfectly. Shimano 10 speed downtube shifters, front >> road crankset, now René Herse, triple chainrings, had Shimano XT rear >> derailleur but switched to Sun XCD front and rear derailleurs for the all >> silver look, shifts flawlessly. Went with rear 10 speed cogset of 11-34 for >> the slightly tighter ratios but had the 11-36 first. >> >> It does work. >> >> René >> >> On Thursday, August 25, 2016, Scott McLain <scottamcl...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Tim, >>> Steve is correct. This winter I talked a friend of mine into going on a >>> week long self supported tour. He ran out and bought an LHT frame and then >>> started buying parts for it. He ended up with a 10 speed mess. I run a >>> 9-speed mountain cassette, rear der, and road bar end shifter. He was >>> trying to do the same, but with 10-speed. He came to me when it didn't >>> work and I was stumped. He just figured he would be going friction >>> shifting from then on. I dug in and researched the problem. Shimano >>> changed the ratio of cable pull to deraileur movement on their 10-speed >>> mountain but left their road alone. So the way to look at it is Shimano >>> 8,9,&10 speed road shifters will work with 8 and 9 speed mountain >>> deraileurs and 8, 9, and 10 road or mountain cassettes. My buddy took an >>> 8-speed derailleur off his old mountain bike and put it on his 10-speed >>> system and it worked great. I am planning on sticking with 9-speed. It >>> all works and you can still buy all the pieces new. >>> >>> I have 8-speed silver friction on my AHH. I like it. It kind of goes >>> with the AHH attitude. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 8:38:33 PM UTC-6, Tim Butterfield wrote: >>>> >>>> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time. I >>>> first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and >>>> sometimes lurker since then. But, I had not made the commitment and >>>> purchased a Riv. The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando. That >>>> was sort of rivish. https://www.flickr.com/photos >>>> /timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423 >>>> >>>> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort >>>> using it the way it should have been. That bike was sold before I left >>>> Chicago to live full-time in an RV. Once we decided to settle in >>>> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp, >>>> definitely not rivish. https://www.flickr.com/photos >>>> /timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428 >>>> >>>> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the >>>> real thing. I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer >>>> Hilsen. I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the Roadeo, >>>> but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also. With my weight at >>>> 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead of >>>> the Roadeo. I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my >>>> abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks >>>> without having to change frames. >>>> >>>> So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two >>>> mentioned. My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it. My Rando was >>>> more modern with the 105 setup. The AWOL was definitely modern with discs >>>> and SRAM setup. But, I'm not tied to that. Though I haven't used it much, >>>> I like the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters. It >>>> looks clean and simple. I'm just not sure what it's like to live with. I >>>> expect that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it. But, >>>> using DT shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would work >>>> with an 11-speed I could have instead. I'm trying to consider the pros and >>>> cons of each. >>>> >>>> With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV. Some >>>> RVs have sufficient inside storage for a bike. Mine doesn't. >>>> >>>> My questions to the group are these: As I am not yet doing longer >>>> distances, are there still benefits to the more traditional setups? If I >>>> pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have provided? Are >>>> there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a Riv >>>> locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL? I'm doubtful of that, but >>>> don't want to mistreat it either. Any thing else I should consider? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any advice you have. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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