I'll add in here, I've never tried an Alba, but I've never had a bike with 
a top tube long enough for it.  Most Riv frames would be perfect with 
Albas.  
Two that I'm a huge fan of are the original Moustache and Ahearne Map bar - 
both on shorter-top-tube frames.  
Moustache was my first, about ten years ago, when I could no longer find a 
comfortable position over my long GB stem and Maes bars.  
For both of these bars, good reach measurements and choosing the correct 
(usually short reach) stem is everything.  
To get a Moustache in the right place, reach on your stem should be 2 
inches shorter than what you use on drop bars.  They also don't grab in the 
intuitive place.   

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The 3 best positions are finger-stretch from the brakes (only center your 
hands on the brakes when you're about to use full brake),way outside for 
added control, and especially on the wide hoods for distance.  

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I'll add about Map bars - properly set up, they are the most relaxed I've 
ever had my hands - hooked just in front of the grips is my favorite 
position, and grabbing the grips for extra control.  

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 7:55:58 PM UTC-5, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Thanks for all of the thoughtful feedback everyone. Tonight I raised the 
> bars on my current set up to see if that makes a difference. I came up a 
> full 2 cm's while still remaining below the min insertion line. I am going 
> to try to ride the bike this way for a while to see If that makes a 
> difference with my neck pain. If that doesn't work I think the Albastache 
> would be my first choice.  I think it might be a good compromise between 
> drop bars and upright. I also think these bars would look awesome on my 
> Sam! I also think this would be an easier transition with my current 
> cockpit set up. I could keep the current stem and road brake levers that I 
> already have.  If I switch to the Albatross I would want a new stem,  new 
> MTB style brake levers and possibly extra long cables for my tall sized 
> bike. A little more money then I want to spend on this experiment that I am 
> currently obsessing about.  
>
> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars 
>> to something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end 
>> up switching and what was the outcome? 
>>
>>

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