I wasn't accounting for inflation, and Jan might not have paid much more
than that.  My JS built Riv Road Standard was $1225 (or something like
that) in '98-'99.  Also, used ≠ new...

Doug

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:56 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Accounting for inflation, $900 in 1995 equals $1,444 in 2017, so unless
> Jan paid less than $900 back then, it did not sell for more than he paid
> for it.
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 4:18:46 PM UTC-4, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>
>> It depends on your perspective...  Yes, you couldn't buy a new frameset
>> built like this one for that amount of moolah.  Very few things increase in
>> value though, and it sold for more that Jan paid for it, so I would say it
>> was above market value.  I am sure its provenance drove up the cost at
>> least a bit, and it has more than the usual number of braze-ons.  BTW, it
>> may not be custom from a geometry perspective (don't recall), but Jan chose
>> the color and the braze-on combo so it is at least semi-custom IMHO.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> P.S.  Most custom bikes are not too different from stock geometries.  I
>> don't think there is anything odd about the geometry of the RS Riv that
>> is/was for sale, the issue is how much value e-Richie added to it compared
>> to any of the other non-Waterford Riv builders.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 9:15 PM, iamkeith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess i don't see how that could be considered a high or artificially
>>> driven-up price.  It's still considerably less than any current, lugged
>>> production frame - US or otherwise - and,  in near perfect condition, has
>>> just as much life left in it.  It's also historically significant and more
>>> unique with those lugs and that crown.  On the other hand, in contrast to
>>> the Sachs-built frame being discussed concurrently, it doesn't suffer from
>>> the baggage of being a custom, and the idea that it was 'too' unique, and
>>> built for a specific person.  I guess I understand that some people might
>>> think that a used bike should always be obtainable for bargain prices, but
>>> not me.  If i was in the market for a road frame and this one fit, I'd
>>> choose it over a roadeo in a heartbeat, even at the same price.  Unique is
>>> good.
>>
>>
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