Steve, I consider your comments to be bordering on being rude; I noted the visually differences and also explained why I don't believe them to be functionally different. Also, red treaded Hetre tyres look different than white or black, but are not they functionally different.
Nor am I playing "silly games." I never said all tyres are the same, so that's a straw man argument that you've put up. But a tyre that is made in the same factory, for the same price, that weighs the same and is made for the same performance, yes, I do consider them to be functionally the same. I believe I have read most to nearly all Jan's blog posts and BQ articles on Compass tyres, so I'm not sure which post you are specifically referring to, but if you want to provide the link I will review it. And again, don't take my word for it, much has been written on tread for bikes on pavement (or lack thereof), both by Sheldon & Jan, and others. And again, that's not to say that all tyres perform the same. Different tyres will perform different, regardless of tread, due to rubber compounds. On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 2:55:35 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 11/25/2017 05:34 PM, Ben Miller wrote: > > As I said, it's an intensely personal choice. > > Thanks, yes, I have looked at them. I don't consider the treads to be any > different, > > > Then you need to have your vision checked, because at this point I wonder > that you are even able to see the first line on the eye chart. The > difference is obvious. > > > because I consider all slick treads to be the same. Bikes can not > hydroplane under anything close to normal circumstances, so what possible > difference could there be between those treads? Those differences in treads > are cosmetic, nothing more. (Don't believe me? Read what Sheldon Brown > <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html> has to say about tread.) > > > You're either being deliberately obtuse or you are completely missing the > point. Regardless of the functioning of tread, you simply cannot say the > tires are "identical" if the differences in the tread are obvious to the > naked eye. Now if you want to say something like "all bike tires are > functionally equivalent," then for some values of "equivalent" that might > be a true statement, and we could get into a detailed discussion of the > function of tread on bicycle tires. But that's not what you said. > > Don't play silly games. If your point is that as far as you are concerned > all bicycle tires are the same then just say so, but don't expect anyone to > take you seriously. > > Even if somehow you still think that there is a difference between radial > and herringbone tread, along the center, where the tyre actually contacts, > both Grand Bois and Compass have radial tread (SOMA's have a mix of radial > and a "true" slick pattern). > > And true, no one other than Panaracer really knows what, if any, > difference exists in those three tyres. But, if you're Panaracer and some > asks for a tyre of a given size, weight, performance, and price point, how > many different knobs do you think you have left to turn? It's not like > Panaracer in Japan has an infinite number of casing material and rubber > compounds to chose from, so those criteria almost certainly lock you into a > rubber & casing design and everything else is cosmetic. Do you really think > there is more to this decision making process? If so, what? > > > If you go back to Jan's blog and do a little searching you will find some > posts describing the design process for Compass tires. It's entirely clear > from his writing that that decision process didn't even slightly resemble > your summary. > > > > On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 1:17:25 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/25/2017 02:57 PM, Ben Miller wrote: >> >> >> >> Then be surprised. The fact that Panaracer makes them doesn't mean >> they're made the same. And honestly, detecting the difference between the >> Hetre and any other tire doesn't require a lot of detective work: all you >> need do is look at them. Here they are side by side. It's obvious that's >> not the same tread. >> >> [image: Image result for compass babyshoe pass][image: Image result for >> grand bois hetre] >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Palincsar >> Alexandria, Virginia >> USA >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > Steve Palincsar > Alexandria, Virginia > USA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
