One other plus for tight retention is climbing steep hills. I stopped using
cleatless shoes when I found myself routinely pulingl my feet out of
semi-tight straps (or pulling my feet out of shoes tightened into the
straps) when torquing hard -- pulling back and up -- on very steep hills at
very low rpm; this with street shoes. Slotted cleats with
pretty-much-tightened straps worked -- I could still pull shoe out in
emergencies; but clipless is far more convenient.

This sort of pull back and up low rpm torquing is, at least in my riding,
rather common.

And yes, spinning fast downill -- I'd much rather have my feet tight in
shoes, my shoes tight on the pedals.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Eric Norris <campyonly...@me.com> wrote:

> Deacon:
>
> For some people (myself included), it’s safer to have one’s feet attached
> to the pedals when going fast and “coasting” on a fixed gear. When the
> pedals start going very, very fast, I would rather not lose contact with
> the pedals, because it’s quite hard to reconnect when the pedals are
> flailing around on their own … you’re then stuck with all your weight on
> the saddle, in a bad position for stability and handling.
>
> Kudos to you for never having your feet come off. Not everyone can do that.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Dec 12, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Ha, Chris! Conventional wisdom is an oxymoron. Which is either a moron on
> oxygen or oxycodon. Grin. I can’t see a reason why pedal retention is
> required to make fixed safe. I can see why people who like it on
> freewheeled bikes like it on fixed bikes. My feet haven’t come off the
> pedals unbidden once.
>
> On the vertigo note, feel free to write me off group, but have you tried
> nutty things like floor living and minimalist shoes?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
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