Oops, and I mistakenly thought you were responding directly to my mention
of P-clamps, not Steve's.  :)

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 11:06 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Didn't quite finish my thoughts. So a rack on back with a saddlesack or
> panniers in back and a banana sack up front (or equivalents). This is
> assuming your commuting route features average decent road surfaces, or if
> you are a large person, especially if you will be running fenders. I always
> appreciated having the option of a more spritely commuter rig for the fair
> weather days. You are often also carrying less.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 8:59:17 AM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> You certainly do not need p-clamps to enjoy a super solid rack on your
>> bike. I've had these before and they work just great. This one is on a bike
>> new to me, which still needs a handlebar wrap, and when I removed the
>> brakes I did not level the rack. It's now going on another bike anyway. As
>> has been said many times, this kind of connection has carried countless
>> loads millions of miles. Seat stay braze-ons are nice and might make it a
>> bit more secure in theory, but this rack would look killer on a grilver
>> Roadini.
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2vx5WKYYHgo/WlTztg_a_7I/AAAAAAAAKI4/gKMRtZId1Lk_7XmnWP1NRRI7hbV-aCEXQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_9846.JPG>
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_kpTo7sabds/WlTznz9PhCI/AAAAAAAAKI0/y84xHVfI8NMlwWsf3uyFWIvBCLNXwdaHgCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_9845.JPG>
>>
>>
>> The only possible stumbling block to using the Roadini as your dedicated
>> commuter is you are going to loose significant tire width over a 26" LHT,
>> especially if you outfit it with fenders for all weather. Maybe a dual
>> role--the Roadini on fair weather days when you might want to throw on some
>> extra miles, the LHT for the more challenging weather. The LHT could be
>> your camping/gravel bike, the Roadini fast solo or club riding, day trips,
>> packed dirt road, etc. Perfect!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> ...you could use P-clamps, but honestly - why would you want to?  And
>>> why does this frame have no rack mounting points if carrying a commuting or
>>> light touring load was considered in the design?)
>>>
>>>
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