For people who have ridden one, is the roadini a fast* bike? Before I got 
practical I used to ride a lot of Italian race bikes from the 1970s and 
1980s. I've had a great time on old Colnagos and Olmos, but now I'd just 
plain like the bars higher. That said, I think that the value proposition 
of the roadini is that it's a *road bike*, not a country or touring bike, 
which happens to have high stack and OK clearance. Is that right? If so, it 
would be nice if the thing was decently fast. 

*I know the motor makes the speed, but there are clear differences between, 
say, a Surly and a Sancineto. Call it what you want, acceleration, response 
to pedal input, snappiness, liveliness, whatever. I'm not talking about 
road vibrations that feel "fast", nor am I talking about top speed, which I 
think is regulated more by drag than anything else. A fast bike lets you 
keep up in a peloton. Is the roadini fast? I sure hope so, because I think 
it looks amazing. 




On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 6:49:12 AM UTC+1, Philip Reimer wrote:
>
> Here are my thoughts. If your Sam would fit me, you should get rid of it!
>
> In all honesty I almost always feel that new bike urge. And it is fun to 
> get a new one. But taking that old bike for a spin usually makes me fall in 
> love again and takes care of my desire for something new. So get some parts 
> bake on the Sam, as close as possible to what you want without spending any 
> money. Take it for a ride, and let that be your decision maker. I bet after 
> 30 minutes on the bike you will know what to do.
>
> Phil
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 7:40:04 PM UTC-5, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hello friends, I'm looking to do a road bike build and I am having 
>> trouble deciding between keeping the Sam Hillborne frameset that I already 
>> own or go in an entirely different direction starting from scratch with a 
>> new Roadini frameset. I purchased the drop bar Sam as a complete in 2016. 
>> This was my first Riv and I completely embraced the Rivendell philosophy of 
>> "just ride". That drop bar Sam eventually morphed into an upright Albatross 
>> set up. I got away from the drop bars because I wanted to try upright 
>> riding to gain maximum comfort. This setup eventually became my S240 bike 
>> and I became much more interested in riding with a heavy touring load. As 
>> my interest in camping and touring grew I decided that I wanted a dedicated 
>> tourer so I picked up an Appaloosa frame and swapped most of the parts over 
>> from the Sam.  The Sam frameset is currently sitting in my basement. 
>>
>> I have decided that my riding would be best served by having two 
>> different bike setups. I want to keep the Appaloosa for camping, touring, 
>> grocery getting, commuting and casual riding with the Mrs. I want a second 
>> bike to be a dedicated drop bar road bike that is unencumbered with racks 
>> and large bags. I am thinking about building the Sam back up as a 
>> traditional sporty road bike with a compact double crankset, the noodle 
>> bars that I already own along with JB 33.3333's and fenders. I want this 
>> bike to be my relatively fast bike that I ride when I am looking to go out 
>> and get a quick ride for pure recreation and fitness. I may even be 
>> ambitious enough to go do a group ride with my old riding buddies from back 
>> in my racer wannabe days. Lately, the Roadini has been the object of my 
>> desire. I am thinking that if I get back into riding on the road in a 
>> typical club rider fashion that I would be better served by having a more 
>> traditional road bike like the Roadini. My vision for a Roadini would be to 
>> build it up in a retro style with downtube shifters, Noodles, Sugino 
>> compact double and 28 to 33mm tires. 
>>
>> I think my desire for the Roadini is mostly driven by new bike lust. I 
>> feel like I am constantly chasing that feeling you get when you buy a new 
>> bike. The reality is what I have found through the years and many bike 
>> purchases later is that "new bike day" euphoria typically fades fades and I 
>> ended up chasing that feeling again with something else. I know that you 
>> guys are not my therapist but can anybody share their thoughts on what 
>> decision to make? Should I keep the Sam  and reinvent it as a sporty road 
>> bike or should I take the plunge and go for a new Roadini to satisfy my 
>> sporty road bike urge?
>>
>>
>>

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