I couldn’t agree more with Mark, and I have read Grant’s thoughts on this many times, the move to have dropouts with eyelets is one he never agreed with. It seems to me that this thread has been suggesting many bikes that are anti-Riv. Steve
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 6:44 AM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Wow. I just do not get that. Even on my bikes that I don't ever plan to > run with fenders, I like having drop outs that permit them--and who knows, > one day I might. I think it makes the bike more comely overall, and plenty > racey without being a prima donna. (Roadeo does not have a kickstand plate, > mate.) My 1960s and 70s racing bicycles (Louison Bobet and Ron Kitching) > have fender eyelets, long chainstays, relaxed geometry and take 35mm tires. > I have a 70s sport frame that takes a 42. I see no point in wider 700c > tires, as I believe it starts to negatively impact handling. I think a > Rodeo or Legolas without fender eyelets is probably more blasphemous than a > disc'd Rivendell;^) I mean really now. > > [image: IW_Bianchi-1950-Fausto-Coppi_02] > > Fausto Coppi's Bianchi, a 1960s Legnano and my early 1980s ZebraKenko with > 35s (could probably go 38). Tell me those little fenderoo braze ons aren't > sexy. > > > On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 4:59:15 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote: >> >> A fenderless, rackless lugged road frame. I have lots of bikes with >> fenders and racks and lights with all sorts of braze-ons. What I want is a >> "road racing" look frame, as-in no eyelets on the front or rear dropouts or >> forks or seatstays, no kickstand plate. Everything else can be the same - >> long chainstays, long top tube, relaxed geometry, 700c x 38 or 44, etc. >> Centerpulls or cantilevers would be ok as long as the cable stop and >> posts were brazed onto the seatstays and forks. Half chromed forks and >> seatstays would be wonderful. Just a clean road bike that rides like a Riv. >> Not very likely. Not even sure that it could happen on a custom. Basically, >> I want a fatter tired, higher handlebar (still drops) cross between my old >> Masi and my Paramount. >> >> Laing >> Cocoa, FL >> >> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Steven Sweedler Plymouth, New Hampshire -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
