I believe cantis means Riv would have to make tubing choices to accommodate 
the stress  on the fork and seat stay. When I was looking at getting a MUSA 
AHH but a canti version, they told me that the fork and seat stay would 
have to be beefed up a little and if I was okay with that.

On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 1:24:13 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> Looking at the new Homer vs. new (canti/V) Sam, the question popped up in 
> my mind, why bother with side pull and center pull brakes any longer?  
> Aesthetics?  And if so, are the aesthetics of canti/V *that *offensive to 
> some?  Is there some technical reason?  I'm asking because I'm truly 
> interested what others think, and don't know why *I* would choose a bike 
> with side/center pulls over canti/V's, all else the same.
>
> If Riv, in an effort to reduce redundancy, and *if* it allowed them to 
> offer more different models (I don't know that it would, just guessing), 
> determined that all future bikes will be offered only with canti/V posts, 
> is there anyone that would be significantly miffed?  The new catalog almost 
> seems hard pressed to justify *significant* differences in Homer/Sam, 
> Atlantis/Joe.
>
> It seems that most on this forum at least, and Riv, are in the bigger tire 
> with fender camp.  I've never read a post about someone wishing for less 
> room for tires and fenders.  The majority tend not to be weight weenies, or 
> at least keep 1 featherweight in their stable for racing, but like their 
> other frames for other reasons.  I don't know if we on this forum are in 
> the majority of all Riv owners, but by looking at the 
> more-decked-out-than-my-Riv "New Bike Saturday" pictures on Riv's 
> instagram, I'm guessing weight is their last concern....
>
> In general, I would prefer Riv offer either a Homer or a Sam, and either 
> an Atlantis or a Joe.  I'm making a big assumption that doing so would be 
> financially better, but for some reason it might not be.  Anyway, pick the 
> best of each and introduce Homer Hillborne and Joe Atlantis (kidding, but 
> you know what I mean) Each would offer 650b options in the mid sizes and 
> only canti/V brakes.
>
> And, after ridding itself of those 2 redundancies, inject 1 or 2 new bikes 
> into the mix that are not loaded tourers or country bikes.  I'm no business 
> major, but seems to me that redundant models of bikes isn't far off from 
> the GM failed strategy of offering basically the same car but calling one a 
> Buick X vs. a Pontiac Y vs. a Olds Z, and we know where that ended up.  
>
> I just want Riv to succeed in a big way.  I so love their bikes.  So, I 
> started thinking, in a curious way, if it were me, what would I do 
> differently?  Starting with only canti/V brakes and some 650b options in 
> all/most models might be a place to start.  Curious about others thoughts.  
>
> Tom
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