On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 10:52:37 AM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
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> I think there’s a certain irony in lovers of modern Rivendell designs 
> being worried about the extra weight of tubes needed to support having disc 
> brakes. 
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I too think the bigger issue is flexibility of the fork blades.  My Clem 
blades flex like nobody's business.  I'm not sure about Steve Potts' disc 
version of the Type II fork though.   On one hand I'm inclined to trust 
anything he says, but I did see several early ones that cracked where the 
top of the long disc tab attached.  Maybe he's gotten it figured out, but 
$800 rigid forks are not really feasible for most.  

Not to mention: with a 2.8" or bigger tire casing, even that becomes a moot 
point - so, yeah, I hear Justin's general comment.  In fact this entire 
*discussion* has become very weird and ironic, if you ask me.   So far 
people have stated that they'd be interested in a new Rivendell mountain 
bike if only it had:

-  a 1 1/8" threadless steerer
-  disc brakes
-  shorter chainstays
-  higher bottom bracket
-  suspension-corrected geometry


No only would any one of those things would seem to make it 
not-a-Rivendell, but they describe bikes that already exist.  

Funny - like Clayton, I've also though about how Crust kind of out-Riv'd 
Riv in some ways and, for a while.  I think Grant's resistance to wider 
tires was a contributing factor.  (The "if you need a fatter tire, get a 
Pugsly" thing, and the unwillingness to build large all-rounders around 26" 
wheels that could use RTP tires because it probably felt like going 
"backwards." Even though it was a genre that he and Rivendell pioneered.)  
    Consumers wanting wider tires than Rivendell was willing to 
accommodate.  If THAT'S not ironic, tell me what is.....

Hopefully, this new mountain bike and its necessary parts will be the start 
of new direction/option, and Rivs will remain the aspirational version of 
the type of bikes we dream about.

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