I have resisted wading into this morass thus far but can no longer do so.
Patrick: If 1. Tolerance for gender identities which don't match your own,
2. Supporting women's rights to choose what happens to
their own bodies, &
3. Social programs for those less fortunate than we
...are controversial, I submit that your (possibly religious) world-view is
seriously out of whack. When being kind to others, respecting the
self-determination of others to decide their own identity, and helping
those in need are "controversial" you have strayed so far from Jesus'
teaching that I wonder if you can claim to be a christian any longer.
Grant was correct - there is not much controversial in his post - he has
opinions (which not all have to agree with) but your retort was so loaded
with IN-tolerance for being kind to and respecting others that it offended
me deeply.
Is this your religious view speaking? If so I urge you to seriously
examine your view of the world as it fits into the tenets of your faith.
If not, please illuminate me.
On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 4:17:44 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> From Grant’s blagh: “Nothing in here is controversial”
>
> Oxford Dictionary defines “Controversial” as: likely to give rise to
> public disagreement
>
> Grant, there are at least three obvious controversial topics in your
> Blagh: 1) gays/LTBGQ/Gender/Marriage/Identity; 2) reproductive
> rights/abortion/contraception; 3) government social programs. How is it
> possible you do not know that a large portion of the general population
> publically disagrees with you on these?
>
> Grant, I love you bikes. Your gifted craftsmanship with steel, lugs, and
> geometry is poetry in motion is part of the grace that allows me to ride a
> bike despite constant neurological vertigo from a bludgeoned brain. You
> have gone above and beyond in helping me shift my Hunqapillar to my
> Hunqabeam. What wondrous gifts for which I am deeply grateful.
>
> I do not know what the answer is, but the tone of this group has had a
> dramatic increase in this type of “uncontrovercial” statements that presume
> everyone is on board, when in fact those statements are contrary to the
> teaching and faith of most world religions. I have largely let them slide
> by, but they are erroding the experience of the group for me, and I may not
> be alone. I plead with folks here to recalibrate your “controvercy” sensor
> and self-edit, so this group can return to focusing on bikes and riding,
> and camping, and bikepacking, and commuting, and the joy of sharing the
> journey, even if it is with someone so foolish and ignorat that he allows
> his faith to inform his beliefs.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
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