A usable position on the ramps depends a great deal on the bar's shape. I
used to use Nitto 185s, with very short reach -- 9 cm -- and hardly any
ramps to speak of. I switched to the Maes Parallel (I have bars in this
shape from Compass and from VO), with 125 mm reach; these do provide a
nice, long, and comfortable ramp which I now use very often. I've set the
bars up so that overall reach to the hoods is a bit more than with the
185s, so despite the now higher bars compared to how the 185s were set, I
can still get aero on the hoods; but I can also sit up a bit and cruise on
the ramps. Very nice.

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Sean Steinle <seanstei...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To add to the number of variables we've already discussed, I stumbled upon
> some articles on hand positioning for drops (http://lovelybike.blogspot.
> com/2012/06/drop-bar-hand-positions-introduction.html), which have
> introduced me to a hand position I haven't used much before and hadn't
> really heard of, the ramps. Feel stupid for not having really heard of it
> until now, but I think this may explain a lot. I always thought if people
> weren't tucking in, then were either on the hoods or on the tops. When I
> ride my new bike, I find my hands naturally gravitating toward the ramps,
> but I kept thinking this wasn't a 'proper' position for long portions of a
> ride. I kept thinking I needed to stretch for the hoods. After reading Jan
> Heine talk about preferring longer reach bars and primarily using the ramps
> and not the hoods, combined with the fact that this bike was built up
> heavily with Jan's influence, I feel like this stem and bar length might
> suit the ramp hand position more than hoods, for a rider of my proportions.
> Not sure how other folks here feel about ramps vs hoods, but I'm excited to
> give the ramps some miles as my primary hand position and see how that goes.
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:54:10 AM UTC-5, Sean Steinle wrote:
>>
>> I'm feeling a bit too stretched out on my new rando bike with noodles. It
>> currently has a 110cm stem, and the bars are a good 2 or 3 cms below saddle
>> height. Can't raise the stem, it's a custom job and doesn't have any room
>> for extenstion. At least not that I feel comfortable with. Since it's
>> handmade, there's no max height line...
>>
>> As I set out to buy a new stem, I'm wondering, how much shorter do I go
>> on the stem if I plan to raise the bars to saddle height as well? I'm sure
>> it's dependent on HA & SA, but I'm wondering if there is a ballpark ratio
>> which says that raising your stem 1 cm is the same effect as shortening it
>> by X. Any real world experience to help me out? When you feel too stretched
>> out, do you focus on raising the bars or shortening the stem?
>>
>>
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