Did you ever see Dr Rich to be bike fit?  The other thing to try is
the Specialized bodyfit wedges for inside your shoe. They align the
natural position of your knee with the flat pedal surface.

and BTW... Co-Motion specs the Race Faces on all their tour/all
rounder bikes. I've used them on my Soma Double Cross and am very
happy with the 46-34-24 combo with a 12x25 cassette... and yes I use
that 46-12  a lot. a 48T would be even betta'.

The new Hillborne has the Sugino 48-34-24 with a 12-30 cassette. Seems
good so far.

~Big Ring Mike~

On Mar 6, 3:50 pm, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wider Q's have been recommend to help me deal w/ IBT, but it's hard to bring
> myself to doing it after I've worked hard (and spent $$$) to get as narrow
> as possible!!! :-)
>
> Those Ritcheys are nice.  $200 doesn't sound bad for NOS considering what's
> out there.  I don't now what the RF Trubines look like, but guessing based
> on what I've seen from them...
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Michael_S <mikeybi...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> > And the Sugino built Ritcheys.  A NOS just went for $200+ on Ebay a
> > week ago or so.
>
> > and I know they are a bit techo... but the RaceFace Turbines have a
> > fairly narrow Q.
>
> > I guess I'm a lucky one... the wider Q works better for me.
>
> > Even though I can rider wider Q's... I'm a bit of a old small BCD
> > crankset collector. I have two of the RaceFaces, a Sugino/Ritchey, a
> > Campy Olympus and a Stronglight 300lx  all square tapers.
>
> > On Mar 6, 1:33 pm, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Let us all know 'bout that triple if you find it.  The only one I know
> > that
> > > narrow (in 110bcd/square taper) is the late-great TA Zephyr.
>
> > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 1:28 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > Avast, heretic! This be week two (to be precise: this is the 8th day of
> > > > receipt) and I've put 85 miles on it -- not a lot, but work has been
> > busy.
>
> > > > I hope to swap out the egregiously wide 160 mm Sugino for a more
> > modestly
> > > > endowed 150 or so (one hopes) Q'd 110 triple. As for the 13, I'd rather
> > > > coast. Hell, after five or so years of almost exclusively fixed gear
> > riding,
> > > > coasting feels, well, decadent, somehow.
>
> > > > And, I just ordered VO's discounted 45 mm alum fenders, a
> > > > stem-clamp-bolt-mount decaleur for the Ostrich and a VO non-Pletscher
> > 2-leg
> > > > stand. Ordinarily I frown on kickstands, but the SH has a kickstand
> > plate
> > > > that, metaphysically, demands a stand to bolt to it. The Greenfield is
> > worth
> > > > f-all when you have loaded rear panniers.
>
> > > > And now I am scheming to rig up a dynolight. The Nashbar front rack
> > > > prevents me, mercifully, from using the ancient Sankya bottle, so I am
> > > > waiting to snag a good deal on a DN72.
>
> > > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:16 PM, doug peterson <dougpn...@cox.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >> Patrick:
>
> > > >> Is this the second or third week with the new bike?  We all knew you
> > > >> wouldn't leave things alone!  I agree the 11-32 8 speed is no good for
> > > >> touring.  At least you decided to keep the triple!  I'm not qualified
> > > >> to get into a theological discussion with you but I'd keep the 13.  A
> > > >> bit of tailwind, a slight downgrade.  It can be handy, and will look
> > > >> better than another spacer :).
>
> > > >> dougP
>
> > > >> On Mar 6, 10:25 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Today I'm taking the Sam Hill to the LBS to have the Deore rear
> > 8/9/10
> > > >> sp
> > > >> > freehub body exchanged for a (scavenged; thanks Ryan) 7 sp one. And,
> > if
> > > >> I
> > > >> > can find a way to do so, I'll toss the present 13 outer and have a
> > > >> > 15-17-19-21-26-32 6 speed, with an extra spacer or two at the big
> > end.
> > > >> For
> > > >> > why? One, to put the 19 right in line with the outer 46, for a 68"
> > > >> > non-touring cruising gear (Jack Browns). I will keep the 36 since
> > the
> > > >> > remaining 67" -- 32" range will probably be nice on long uphills
> > with a
> > > >> > touring load. And there remains the 26 inner when I am tempted to
> > > >> despair
> > > >> > and give up. But for about town riding, the 46/19 X 28" wheel gives
> > me
> > > >> the
> > > >> > ideal, the classic, nay the ultima ratio and ne plus ultra of
> > > >> all-rounder
> > > >> > gears and, if I am feeling effete, I can get a full 85" down to 40"
> > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> > outer. Gad, the excess!
>
> > > >> > The other reason is that my mind still boggles at three (3!!!) rings
> > and
> > > >> six
> > > >> > (6!!!) cogs: what shall I do with this excess? I dislike, for
> > > >> theological
> > > >> > reasons, having unused cogs on my cassette, and anything north of 15
> > is
> > > >> > pretty useless to me. If I keep the 13, it will simply be as an
> > annoying
> > > >> but
> > > >> > necessary spacer for the 15.
>
> > > >> > The original 11-32 8 speed is just, how to put it, crazy. 46X11 =
> > 117".
> > > >> Even
> > > >> > Eddy didn't have such a gear! The 46X13 is an overkill 99". Fausto
> > would
> > > >> > have sneered. The 15 brings things down to a merely athletic level.
>
> > > >> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Dustin Sharp <paleo.v...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > Yup, I pretty much ride mine as a 1x9 until the hills come. I'm
> > > >> running
> > > >> > > 44-30 and 12-27. I do spin out on bigger hills and occasionally
> > wish
> > > >> for
> > > >> > > something a bit easier for extreme grades. Maybe I should give
> > 44-28 a
> > > >> shot
> > > >> > > with one of SRAM's 11-28 cassettes.
>
> > > >> > > The other thing that makes this setup work well is having a big
> > ring
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > is
> > > >> > > positioned to let you use almost all of your gears. For me, 135
> > rear
> > > >> > > spacing
> > > >> > > and using the inner two rings of a Sugino XD triple with a 113 bb
> > > >> makes for
> > > >> > > a great chainline.
>
> > > >> > > Dustin
>
> > > >> > > > IMO a workable wide-range double uses the small ring only as a
> > bail-
> > > >> > > > out for the biggest climbs, and the big ring for everything
> > else.
> > > >> > > > Something like 44/24 x 12-xx would work pretty well for me.
>
> > > >> > > > Bill
>
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