According to the geo charts, the 55cm Appa top tube is 0.8cm longer than 
the 56cm Atlantis.  That's less than a 1/3 of a inch.
Can that really be contributing to one frameset being more ideal for drop 
bars and/or swept backs over the other?




On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 5:34:06 PM UTC-4, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Got it,  all excellent points Bill.   Thank you for the detailed response! 
>   -Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 3, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't 
> change a thing.  
>
> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
> the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
> a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
>
> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with Choco 
> bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top tube 
> length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for me.  
> The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with drop 
> bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you run 
> it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
> cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
> are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
> wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
> could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
> I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
> whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
> me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
> 700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
> loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
> in my size never have TCO.  
>
> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
> The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
> the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
> 56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
> now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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