Thank you James-I couldn’t have put it better! > On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:20 AM, James Davis <jamesjdav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Carl, I hear you. Sometimes these objects do feel like they create an > exclusive culture. I would argue that they are just part of one of the many > bicycling subcultures that exist in our consumer capitalist culture. However, > those cyclists don’t represent the everyday bicyclist and those objects may > be a part of a different purchasing decision making process. > > It’s likely that many ordinary people who ride and use jand or Wald products > don’t even interact with instagram bicycle culture, so those companies don’t > need to market their goods on that platform. I’m sure that if those companies > saw an economic benefit in joining that platform they would. It also helps > that those older companies have relationships developed with bike shops > across the country and have been making bike products for a long time, which > helps with their established distribution channels. > > For younger bicycle businesses, like swift makeshifter and bags x bird, IG is > a relatively free promotional platform to reach people who may be interested > in their handcrafted goods. These items are only seen as high end because > their price reflects the real price of a small group of people making hand > crafted items with quality materials at a smaller scale(something I have > learned as the partner of an owner of a small scale clothing line owner). > They are talking directly to and with the bicycle culture that may be > interested in their goods on that platform. I’m thankful that they have that > platform to be able to make their businesses a reality. I am sure a > significant portion of their sales comes from that platform. I just bought a > saddle bag from make shifter, because I believe in paying up for a product > made by a person I can talk directly with. It’s the same reason why I buy > rivendells. It’s a privilege for sure, but one that I believe is important. > > It’s tough because that IG culture does feel like it leaves a lot of folks > out. However, like any subculture of folks interested in a practice, it only > looks like it is more predominant because they are saavy media users. I would > liken it to the punk subculture or the Grateful Dead subculture. I suppose > that’s why I like this list a lot. It’s united by a just ride ethos, rather > than an object. There are a ton of people on this list that have riv-I-fied > their non-riv bikes. However, I suppose that we are another bike subculture > that also appears exclusive to other folks looking at us. I know I have felt > like my lack of technical expertise made me a riv-rider that didn’t quite fit. > > Anyways, I hope this all makes sense. I just wanted to add my two cents worth > of thoughts. Feel free to throw it in the dustbin of history if it isn’t > useful to y’all. All my best to all of you and your families. > > James “Overthinking things for Decades” Gardner Davis > Denver, CO > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:39 PM tuolumnebikes <tuolumnebi...@gmail.com > <mailto:tuolumnebi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Looked up Wald--nothing, Jandd has a Jandd-jp account with 428 > followers. Swift has 57.2K followers, and there's no need to follow them > since their message is multiplied by influencers and happy customers. > Clearly it's up to the companies to do their marketing consistent with > their price points, and kudos to Swift for their products and marketing. > > My point is that while developing markets for high end stuff is good for > the diversity of the marketplace, it has the unfortunate downside of > training people to think that perfectly good or maybe even excellent > ordinary stuff is not quite good enough which raises the bar for people > of modest means or those traditionally less represented among bike > riders to join the party. I don't mean to discount the LBSs, coops, and > coalitions doing great work to get and keep people riding and smiling at > modest cost. Any support for Taiwanese Fender Day? > > On 4/8/2020 11:45 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Are they at the groovy Instagram party? I follow bikey stuff I come across > > there..albeit a small sample, I don't have an appetite for making that site > > a big habit for me. 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