The Riv-sisters are changing three things at once (tires, wheels, tubeless) with wondrous results. Which of course is great. How much of the wondrousness is directly due to tubeless is, I think, an open (though perhaps unimportant) question. As such the clarity of that other dividing line might be in doubt. I think James would say: if they weren't going tubeless they would get too many flats with those tires and wouldn't be happy long term. So in his view the tubeless part of the puzzle is necessary to make the better riding tires viable. For anybody that's using great riding tires with tubes and not getting flats, that logic doesn't quite work.
No matter how you slice it, I think the tubeless v tubes thing comes down to what flats would one be getting with tubes that one wouldn't with tubeless, and how does the rider feel about those. I suppose there is also the matter of whether one finds the repair process for one system more or less onerous than the other. On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:54:39 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Precisely my assessment as well, Ted. Goatheads are the dividing line I > see. Yet, clearly, there is another dividing line that Roberta and > Riv-sisters are pointing out as well, and I'm delighted it is working for > them. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: >> >> Hey Deacon, >> >> Though you are certainly big, and you may be an Ogre, I think we both >> know you're not dumb. >> I think sometimes the move to tubeless gets conflated with the move to >> big supple low pressure tires, because some people do both at the same >> time. As you are already riding big supple low pressure tires, and are not >> bothered by flats, I'd argue you're clearly the opposite of a perfect case >> study for going tubeless. As you say you have no problem to fix. People who >> are familiar with goat heads however, often feel they do have a problem, >> and for them (and others bothered by flats resulting from similar >> irritants) tubeless may be an answer. Different circumstances / >> environments often warrant different equipment choices. >> >> regards >> Ted >> >> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:42:21 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: >>> >>> Sweet ride, Roberta! I know how much more my daughters love riding their >>> lighter Clementines compared with their previous, much heavier kid's bikes >>> or 90s Trek rebuilds. As an ogre who carries my bikepacking rig weighing up >>> to 100 pounds as needed, I don't innately appreciate that need and easily >>> forget it, until I am helping them get over rocks and roots on steep, >>> technical bits I just consider normal. Grin. >>>> >>>> >>> Like you, Roberta, I enjoy freely wandering topics, learning much from >>> them. My 2.8" beefy tires on my GBW are the perfect case study for going >>> tubeless, yet I do not. Why? I've yet to experience the need. Cross >>> reference "big, dumb ogre." Grin. For me, the weight isn't a big deal. I >>> get plenty of tire suppleness with a tube with the carefully chosen suppler >>> tires I ride, and I still don't grasp how a field flat is addressed without >>> mess and frustration. Arguably, the one flat I've gotten on "Beorn" was due >>> to inner moving rub as it occured on the inside of the tube after months of >>> riding. Still, for me, tubeless is a solution looking for a problem. Grin. >>> I am delighted it is working for so many! >>> >>> With abandon, >>> Patrick >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/72492e3d-0a2c-4070-b098-656e2b0b4393o%40googlegroups.com.
