I'm beginning to visual this but want to confirm.  On the Albatross with 
the the 11 cm stem, your hands are roughly in the same place as on the 
drops?  That makes sense.  

With drops and a 10 cm stem, my hands would be 60-70 mm ahead of the stem, 
or 160-170 mm ahead of the steering axis.  By changing to upright bars 
(with a slight flair) with the same 10 cm stem, my hands moved back to to 
roughly the steering axis.  It sounds like I need to get my hands forward 
of the steering axis to mimic the drop bar position.

Thx,

dougP

On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 2:09:52 PM UTC-7, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Yeah it's because my "neutral" hand position on drops is quite forward of 
> the end of the stem (something like 12-14 cm) while on the Albaross it'll 
> be actually a bit back from the end of the stem - so even with the 6cm 
> shorter stem, the reach to my "80% position" is quite a bit less still  
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 9:16 PM dougP <doug...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>> "My Noodle-to-Albatross conversion ratio is a *6cm longer stem* on the 
>> latter (ie 5cm stem for the Noodles and a 11cm stem for the Albatross on my 
>> Sam) "
>>
>> That's interesting.  I did not change the stem when I first put upright 
>> bars on my Atlantis.  The hand position took care of the numbness issue.  
>> The last year or so I've been thinking I needed to be more upright (older 
>> body, not so flexible anymore).  I have a dirt drop on there now, with the 
>> bars an inch or so above where they were with the stock stem at max height 
>> (even with the seat).  Eyeballing it, it looks like the dirt drop also 
>> pulls the bars at least an inch closer.  A longer stem seems 
>> counter-intuitive.  The standard was 100 mm.  
>>
>>

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