James: I'm curious what chain lube and what chain maintenance you would recommend for very dusty or sandy riding conditions -- Albuquerque has little grass on the verges and a great deal of sand even on pavement; I ride in sand off road
I've used very many of the "dry lubes" momentarily popular between about 1990 and 2010, with sporadic tests of later ones to the present; the best I've used (without doing any serious comparison tests) being ProLink, Purple something or another, and currently Rock 'n' Roll "Gold" -- all of these applied sparingly and then wiped, wiped, wiped lasting ~400 miles of pavement and at least 200 miles of riverine silt. But a few years ago I started using Molten Speed Wax, and this seems to be a good compromise between ease of maintenance and length of lubrication: ~200 miles in dirt, double that on pavement; this of course in dry conditions -- ~9" precipitation per year, max. That is twice plain old paraffin, even with small quantities of stuff like transmission fluid and 30 weight added. My target in all of this experimentation was to keep grit off the outside of the chain, in the belief that this grit would wear down the cogs and rings if not the innards of the chain. The wax process is easy with a crockpot and master link: remover chain, coil, and drape over wax; plug and wait for ~2 hours (depends on ambient temp and crockpot), pluck out carefully, wipe, let cool, and install; add drop of ProLink to masterlink. No need to clean chain after initial cleaning. But the main criterion is chain and cog and ring longevity. Actually, my rings last forever, so let's say cog and chain longevity; and also shifting performance, tho' I presently have onlhy 1 derailleur bike. Thoughts and suggestions? Thanks. On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 7:59 AM James / Analog Cycles <analogcyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > As a mechanic for the last 20+ years, I'll add my two cents here. Park > chain cleaner boxes are a hot mess, and degreaser is bad. We don't even > have degreaser in the shop. I just keep it around the house to clean up > bacon splatters and grease stains on my pants. > > Here's a write up from our site on prolink, but it talks about cleaning a > chain, how to do it, how to relube, with no box, minimal mess, no premature > drivetrain wear: > > *Chain lube should keep your chain lubed, not looking nice. Clean lubes > are giving something up to be clean. Maybe it’s the need to apply to a > completely clean chain, maybe they don’t protect against rust as well, but > there is no free lunch. Clean lubes are not as effective at protecting your > chain as greasy gross wet lubes. Is the ball joint of your car clean? Heck > no, it’s horrible, covered in a goopy mess of black grease. You don’t see > them using ‘clean’ or clear grease in there.* > > *Prolink makes a good really thin chain lube. It’s like WD-40, but for > bikes. WD-40 has a whole bunch of solvents in it. These help break down > rust and flush out thicker lubes. When the solvents dry, there is a bit of > lube in the WD-40. Not enough to actually do a good job lubing a chain, > but enough to keep a door hinge swinging freely. Prolink is similar, but it > has a higher lube content. Still a ton of solvents, but more lube. That > means Prolink is a great lube to clean your chain with. What??!* > > *Cleaning your chain with degreaser is bonkers. If the degreaser is > strong enough to break down the old chain lube, guess what, it’s strong > enough to keep the fresh stuff from getting in. Sure, you can flush the > chain with water, after degreasing it, then use a combo of time and an air > compressor to blow the water out of the chain. Me, I don’t like to use an > air compressor on a chain. Not only is it hard on our generator, but it > also flings black water all over the place, including but not limited such > places as your rims, tan sidewalls and disc rotors. Just air drying a > chain could take over a day. I don’t have time for that. I have firewood to > process. If you clean your chain with prolink, you flush two things outta > the chain: grit (composed of road grit and bits of your chain) and old > lube. * > > *Continue on for more True Facts about Chain Lube:* > > *Analog’s Cardinal Rules of Chain Lube:* > > - *Chain lube (or anything really) should NOT have PTFE in it. Why > not? It’s exceptionally bad for the environment. > > <https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/magazine/the-lawyer-who-became-duponts-worst-nightmare.html> > Actually > it’s inordinately bad for everything. * > - *Chain lube should not cost an arm and a leg. Even our favorite > lubes really, should be cheaper. I wish we found a cheap, good, bio lube > that we could sell. But as it is, the two lubes we offer are pretty cheap, > in the scheme of things.* > - *Chain lube shouldn’t have wax in it. It clumps, esp in cold > weather. * > - *Chain lube should keep your chain lubed, not looking nice. Clean > lubes are giving something up to be clean. Maybe it’s the need to apply to > a completely clean chain, maybe they don’t protect against rust as well, > but there is no free lunch. Clean lubes are not as effective at protecting > your chain as greasy gross wet lubes. Is the ball joint of your car clean? > Heck no, it’s horrible, covered in a goopy mess of black grease. You don’t > see them using ‘clean’ or clear grease in there.* > - *Chain lube should be easy on, and relatively easy off. You > shouldn’t have to take your chain off, or scrub your cassette, or take a > dental pick to your derailleur pulleys every time you wanna lube your > chain. If your chain isn’t horrendously gross looking, you should be able > to just add a bit more lube and keep going. If it’s really bad, you should > be able to clean it, with a rag, while on the bike. If you can’t, you have > the wrong lube.* > - *Ideally, chain lube should be sticky enough to last for a few weeks > of riding in whatever conditions you like to ride in. So in the winter, > your lube should be heavier and stickier, and in the dry of summer, it can > be thinner, if it’s not all rainy and muddy out. * > - *That’s it. * > > *The process is super simple: Shift into the big ring up front and the > hardest gear in the back. Apply Prolink generously, so that when you stop > pedaling, it’s dripping on the floor. Do something else for a few minutes. > For instance, buy a water bottle from us. Then mosey back over. The > solvent has done its thing. Take a dry T shirt, preferably your roommates, > and drag the chain through it, holding the chain very loosely in a bundle > of shirt. You can do this on the upper run of chain or the lower. I don’t > care, just don’t get your fingers caught in the chainrings. Pedal > backward. Keep flipping the shirt to a fresh spot of cotton and keep > wiping. Do this routine until the chain is coated and wet looking but not > black with oil. If you are riding in nice dry weather, boom, that’s it, > you are done. If you are riding in the rain, or mud, or snow, etc, you are > not done. Leave the chain alone and go buy a hat from us. When you come > back in five minutes, most of the solvents will have evaporated out. You > can skip this step if you are in a hurry.* > > *Now, grab your other bottle of lube, Finish Line’s wet chain lube (Phil’s > oil also works fine but it’s double the cost with no noticeable benefit) > and apply a thin stream of that to the chain. Get it fully coated, but you > don’t need a gallon of the stuff. Just make sure the rollers and side > plates are covered with a thin layer. Wipe off the excess, good to go.* > > *Prolink is the only lube I have used that pulls bits of metal out of the > chain’s rollers. The chain gets grit in the rollers, and that grit acts > like sand paper and wears the chain down. The little bits of metal that > flake off further wear the chain down. Removing those is muy bueno. > Prolink does that. Finish line wet lube is just a cheap, goopy lube that > keeps the chain running quietly and does well with wet weather. It’s > sticky and dark green and gross, which are all good traits in a heavy duty > bad conditions lube. It comes off easily with Prolink. Reapply when the > chain is either noisy, has some surface rust, or because you are about to > go on a big bike trip. Clean it with Prolink a few times a year, or when > it’s really mucked up and gross.* > > *Now go throw out that silly chain cleaner, and use that Simple Green on > what it was intended for: pizza stains on your favorite concert Tee. > Actually, use Miracle Red for that, it’s better. * > > - James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Fifth Season Canvas / > Discord Components > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgscXN_XpkMVmTit83A2sRRbFpB4ndpBwsZs4foaPKYLkQ%40mail.gmail.com.
