Hi Patrick, Between Rock n Roll and Prolink, I'd recommend Prolink. No PTFE. Read up on it if you have never done so. Rock N Roll Gold is just teflon solids suspended in solvent, more or less.
I'd have to look at the sludge that falls off the chain. The crud you are trying to get rid of isn't dirt per se, it's the metal filing the chain produces in the course of use. Those, when trapped in the rollers, are a bigger source of chain wear than anything else I can think of. If there is no metal in the sludge, it's just a superficial cleaning. Best, james On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 12:47:41 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: > Thanks, James. I've recently applied "Rock 'n' Roll Gold" which I guess is > a "dry" lube to a chain and wiped and wiped; was surprised to see how dry > the outside of the chain felt the next morning. I'll have to test this > again with a little more attention to see if it holds the squeaks at bay > for 400 miles (road bike) and to see if the outside of the chain remains > clean. If it works, I may switch to this or to Pro Link again. > > The wax method does clean the chain, btw; first, there's very little dirt > that accumulates on the chain, and second, what does falls off in the > melted wax and forms a sludge on the bottom of the crockpot. > > But easy as waxing is, you are right, applying Pro Link, etc to the chain > while it is on the bike, and wiping half a dozen times is easier yet. > > Aside: Long ago -- 2010? -- I used White Lightning, supposed to be dry and > clean. It didn't attract sand, but it built up thick coils of grunge on the > cogs that you had to scrape off. I'm still finishing up the last 8 oz > bottle, probably a good 8-10 years old, by putting a bit on my pedals' clip > mechanism every so often; not sure it does much good ... > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:10 AM James / Analog Cycles <analog...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Patrick, >> >> By your own writing, you have the same maintenance interval with prolink >> as you do with wax. 400 miles on road, 200 off. I'd say the difference is >> ease of use with prolink. It's faster, and all you need is a rag and >> prolink. It's less expensive. It cleans the chain, which wax does not. >> It has no PTFE, which is just about the worst thing you can use on your >> bike if you are fond of the outdoors. Ski resorts are ahead of the game on >> this, banning PTFE from ski waxes on their slopes. >> >> So, really, I'd recommend the same thing we use up here in the wet. >> Prolink and a rag. I wouldn't apply the prolink sparingly, it only works >> as a cleaner if you get it dripping wet. Let it sit for a just a few >> minutes, then wipe 95% of it off. Done. 10 minutes, tops, with the post >> lube rim cleaning. >> >> Obviously, everyone is gunna have their own best method. I want mine to >> be fast, effective, affordable and relatively eco friendly. BTW, if anyone >> has used a GOOD actual eco lube, I'm all ears. I've tried many, been >> impressed by none. Requirements: has to be available stateside. Not very >> eco friendly to fly lube over from England. >> >> -James >> >> On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> Sheesh: More clearly and accurately: the main criteria are: chain and >>> cog longevity; shifting performance; time between lubes; ease of lubing and >>> cleaning; and distant fourth, a clean chain exterior. >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 6:44 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> ... But the main criterion is chain and cog and ring longevity. >>>> Actually, my rings last forever, so let's say cog and chain longevity; and >>>> also shifting performance, tho' I presently have onlhy 1 derailleur bike. >>>> >>>> Thoughts and suggestions? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Patrick Moore >>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3273377b-66ad-4516-917b-c0c8d443f15cn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3273377b-66ad-4516-917b-c0c8d443f15cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f7ac2c98-82ff-4bfd-afd6-3cc8bc88f79fn%40googlegroups.com.
