Just my experience on the whole rim width debate as a 185lb rider- tire pressure is the most important variable.
I run my tires much lower than most (felt by taking their bikes for a spin and all the comments that I "have a flat tire") and the narrower the rim the easier the tire collapses during low pressure cornering. I've run the 55cm Antelope Hills on i18mm rims, same as an A23, and they squirmed with the tire pressures I like to run. Around 15psi tubeless says the AccuGauge. The Cliffhangers tolerate the lower pressures without any instability. When I pumped either wheelset up to higher pressures there was no difference felt between the two, and I think that's where the argument comes in that wide rims aren't necessary. If you tend to run higher pressure and like your tires firm than it may never be an issue. But if you run your tires low to the point where you can see your rear deforming on the ground as your ride, it may be worth considering. Just my 2c, ymmv as always! On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 4:36:50 PM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote: > Bruce, > > I think if I'm being totally honest with myself? > > I'd like the option to run a tire between a 47 mm and a 55 mm. I think I'd > like the option to run a narrower tire if I wanted to? I need to figure > which rim would be suitable for that range. I'll look at the Atlas. > > Thanks, > > Hugh > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 4:18 PM Bruce Herbitter <bruce.h...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello Hugh: >> >> The A23 is narrow for a 55 to sit well, I think. It’s also shallow >> compared to the cliffhanger. The Atlas might actually be one for you to >> consider with 55 tires. >> >> Bruce >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 4, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Bruce, >> >> And thanks for the info. Do you think the A23's would handle a 55mm tire >> well? >> >> Hugh >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 2:47 AM Fullylugged <bruce.h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Prowheelbuilder.com has the silver color Shimano 105 (R7000) rear hub >>> for $61 and front for $36. 105 is a longer tested product than V-O, if you >>> can live with a non polished finish, and the price is certainly right. I >>> built a 650B set with these hubs and Velocity Synergy rims. More recently >>> I bought a set of wheels with A23 rims and like them so far. I have 38mm >>> tires on both wheelsets. A third wheelset has the polished White Ind hubs >>> and Synergy wheels and 32mm tires. All of them ride just fine. >>> >>> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:34:54 AM UTC-6 Hugh Smitham wrote: >>> >>>> Ben, >>>> >>>> You don't sound argumentative and I appreciate your opinion. >>>> >>>> Is that article online? If it is, I'd appreciate a link, I'm curious to >>>> read Jan's opinion on this matter. I was expressing someone else's belief >>>> which I think I mentioned. I have had various experiences with larger >>>> tires >>>> and depending on the rim and psi I've felt the tire roll or collapse on >>>> cornering. Probably user error, running too low of a tire pressure. I've >>>> had 2.1 thunder burts on a 23mm rim and 2.8 and 3.0's on a DT Swiss 40mm >>>> rim and on my AHH I ran Velocity A23's with numerous tires from 38 to >>>> 42mm. >>>> As far as the Pacenti rims I think my buddies opinion was simply the j >>>> hook >>>> that holds the bead on isn't a good as say the HED's but good god $165 per >>>> rim. I actually like the look of the Pacenti rim. Although I can't recall >>>> where I heard this but they were difficult to set up tubeless? I may be >>>> wrong on this matter. If you have first had experience with the Pacenti >>>> I'm >>>> happy to listen/hear. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> ~Hugh >>>> >>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep >>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 11:31 PM Ben Miller <ben.l....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Hugh, >>>>> >>>>> Sounds like you know what you are after in terms of rim size, and yeah >>>>> as you found I think you're choices in silver are limited. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not trying to argue or change you're mind, but I am going to offer >>>>> a counterpoint to anyone else you is following this thread. Jan of >>>>> Bicycle >>>>> Quarterly has opinion that rim width on larger tyres doesn't effect >>>>> handling. He has a brief section in his recent book on this very subject >>>>> called "rim width and cornering" that includes a compelling (to me) >>>>> example. And, from my own experience, I have 60 mm wide tyres on Velocity >>>>> Dyads which have an internal width of 18.6 mm. >>>>> >>>>> Everyone has their own experiences and preferences, which is one of >>>>> the best things about building up bikes because you get to express that. >>>>> I'm sure you'll be happy with you're piece of mind on wider rims! Best of >>>>> luck. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:29:32 PM UTC-8 Weston Hein wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The wheelset on my Clem is built from the previous generation VO >>>>>> touring hubs (same manufacturer?) laced to Cliffhangers. I've run 2.35 >>>>>> G-One speeds and 55mm Antelope hills on them and both tires set up very >>>>>> easily tubeless using velocity rim tape. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm really happy with the hubs- they feel really smooth and have >>>>>> minimal resistance when spinning them in the stand. I'd rate the free >>>>>> hub >>>>>> as medium loudness. It's not a hub noise that I would "notice" as being >>>>>> unusually loud if that makes sense. No high pitched buzz or anything >>>>>> that >>>>>> makes you focus on it. But it's definitely not Shimano quiet. I did >>>>>> quiet >>>>>> it down some using some Dumonde Tech free hub grease but the effect wore >>>>>> off and I stopped reapplying it as the hub noise doesn't really bother >>>>>> me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hubs have been problem free for 3 years of Seattle commuting/light >>>>>> touring and off-road riding. The free hub is incredibly easy to service >>>>>> and >>>>>> the bearings are easy to access too (though I haven't had to replace >>>>>> them). >>>>>> All in all I think it's a great value for a nice looking, no nonsense >>>>>> hub. >>>>>> Can't argue with the quality of White, but if you're looking for a lower >>>>>> price point the VO may be a great option. If I needed another 135 qr >>>>>> wheelset, I'd choose these hubs again, especially with the excellent >>>>>> customer support that I've had from VO in the past. >>>>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 8:47:47 PM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here are the specs for the Cliffhangers and A23's. You'll notice the >>>>>>> A23's optimal max tire width is 35mm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And the cliffhanger optimal tire widths are between 45mm and 65mm >>>>>>> the schwabe g1's are 2.25 or approximately 56 mm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I imagine your going to run a narrower tire? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hugh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 8:33 PM velomann <velo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Velocity A-23 rims come in silver, are tubeless compatible, and >>>>>>>> have a brake track. >>>>>>>> I have a pir I'm going to build up for my Sam as soon as I track >>>>>>>> down the right hubs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 5:32:18 PM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So as not to offend any long-term members on this list I did first >>>>>>>>> do a search and did not find an answer to my question? I believe back >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> 2018 William Henderson in PDX after an accident had a wheel set built >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> the same hubs I'm considering, if he could chime in that would be >>>>>>>>> excellent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On with the question, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anybody have experience with the Velo Orange Grand Cru 135mm >>>>>>>>> QR Shimano hub? Specifically, has it held up over time? How does it >>>>>>>>> feel? >>>>>>>>> Does it spin freely? How does it sound? Meaning is it silent or does >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> have a loud ratcheting noise? What were your initial impressions of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> build quality and then later impressions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's my aesthetic, I just see my new to me Atlantis built with >>>>>>>>> silver shiny hubs otherwise I'd build my new wheels with a DT Swiss >>>>>>>>> 350 >>>>>>>>> rear hub and be done. I'm considering a White Industries hub but >>>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>>> close to $200 more over the VO hub. Just debating whether the extra >>>>>>>>> $$ is >>>>>>>>> worth it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm going with the Velocity Cliffhangers, wish they came in silver >>>>>>>>> :( Planning on running schwabe g ones in 2.25" evolutions for cush >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> speed. If you have a recommendation on rims that will allow for >>>>>>>>> tubeless, >>>>>>>>> decent tire profile in silver please lmk. FYI not going with the HED >>>>>>>>> Belgian rims at $165 nope! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm also looking for the Riv stem shifters currently out of stock >>>>>>>>> on the Riv Hq site. If anyone has a pair that they're willing to part >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> let me know? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hugh in Sunny SoCal Los Angeles to be exact. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since I'm honorable and might as well ask another question. I plan >>>>>>>>> on running aluminum albatross bars any recommendations for grips. My >>>>>>>>> preference is a easily removed grip like the Ergon which I have. 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