FWIW, the particular Crust Russ is reviewing isn't low trail — he said it's 
76 or 75 mm. I don't have a particular dog in the fight, and I enjoyed the 
video and don't consider it click-bait. As Russ said, he gets asked this 
type of question all the time, so why not do a video?

And re: guitarists—thanks to Philip for the Rory Gallagher link. I'd never 
heard of him but will now check him out.

Tom Milani
Alexandria, VA USA

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 2:18:44 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Which - to be clear - is my response to the premise of the thread which is 
> the premise of the Path Less Pedaled thing. I'm not objecting to the thread 
> being a thread. 
>
> Joe "let me say this about that" Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't think a Riv vs. anything low trail really counts as a comparison, 
>> it's two very different approaches to what is considered the "right" way 
>> for a bicycle to handle. But my bias is extreme, I bought a Crust Lightning 
>> Bolt (disc) and hoo boy did I learn the expensive way that I do *not *like 
>> low trail. Rivs ride the way I need my bikes to ride. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
>>> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0hM8ZSBRl0>" 
>>>
>>> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
>>> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
>>> could be? 
>>>
>>> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
>>> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
>>> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
>>> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
>>> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
>>> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
>>> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
>>> had. 
>>>
>>> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
>>> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
>>> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
>>> two?
>>>
>>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>>
>>

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