Laing wrote:* I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on a video that they did not watch. * The PLP post is titled Rivendell vs. Crust. Which is Better? There are no models in the title, and that is what brings it to the realm of clickbait. The OP also states right up front that the video is less provocative. Generally, Rivendell vs. Crust, some of the qualities that separate them are disc brakes, more conventional chainstay lengths, and yes, low trail. Based on the thrust of the thread starter, I would say perfectly legitimate to comment without bothering to watch the actual video referenced. Obviously a Sam Hillborne does not qualify as low trail. It may be lower trail than bike x, but not low trail. I did find it mildly amusing that he was noting the differences between 42.5 and 45.5 chainstays. He should try a Susie!
>From an aesthetic point of view, I find his videos hard to watch due to the editing/splicing. I wish he would let the camera roll through a bit more--maybe he could have a cheat board of notes if he can't talk extemporaneously. As it is, the video is noticeably spliced after every sentence or two. Maybe this is normal these days with vlogs, and it's just me being old. Oh well. On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:26:38 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote: > I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on a video that > they did not watch. As Tom pointed out, the Sam Hillborne is the "low > trail" bike in this comparison - you need to watch the video to know what > is in it. Note that I have one Crust (Scapegoat) and 12 Rivendells. > > One word on guitarists: Hendrix. > > Laing > > On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:09:04 AM UTC-5 Tom M wrote: > >> FWIW, the particular Crust Russ is reviewing isn't low trail — he said >> it's 76 or 75 mm. I don't have a particular dog in the fight, and I enjoyed >> the video and don't consider it click-bait. As Russ said, he gets asked >> this type of question all the time, so why not do a video? >> >> And re: guitarists—thanks to Philip for the Rory Gallagher link. I'd >> never heard of him but will now check him out. >> >> Tom Milani >> Alexandria, VA USA >> >> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 2:18:44 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> Which - to be clear - is my response to the premise of the thread which >>> is the premise of the Path Less Pedaled thing. I'm not objecting to the >>> thread being a thread. >>> >>> Joe "let me say this about that" Bernard >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think a Riv vs. anything low trail really counts as a >>>> comparison, it's two very different approaches to what is considered the >>>> "right" way for a bicycle to handle. But my bias is extreme, I bought a >>>> Crust Lightning Bolt (disc) and hoo boy did I learn the expensive way that >>>> I do *not *like low trail. Rivs ride the way I need my bikes to ride. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote: >>>> >>>>> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the >>>>> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0hM8ZSBRl0>" >>>>> >>>>> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing >>>>> his Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than >>>>> it >>>>> could be? >>>>> >>>>> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I >>>>> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I >>>>> do >>>>> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & >>>>> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell >>>>> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing >>>>> the >>>>> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be >>>>> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust >>>>> bikes >>>>> had. >>>>> >>>>> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared >>>>> to Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most >>>>> thing's not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot >>>>> take >>>>> on the two? >>>>> >>>>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and >>>>> important stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really >>>>> interesting collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along >>>>> the >>>>> lines of the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really >>>>> cool! >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3ba38801-0504-4d6a-9261-c4bf44d5b009n%40googlegroups.com.
