OK, since we're off topic anyway, which companies/individual framebuilders can be compared with which classic rock bands/musicians? Here's a couple of attempts:
Riv> Grateful Dead: fanatically loyal fanbase, plus lots of people who just don't get it maaaaan. Surly> Fleetwood Mac. Tend to get dismissed as lightweight pop, but did some innovative stuff in their time. Bruce Gordon> John Lydon. Bit scary, tends to rub people up the wrong way, but a major influence. Crust> David Bowie. Flirting with all kinds of different identities. A bit erratic but always good quality. Johnny in Belgium On Thursday, 11 February 2021 at 15:53:40 UTC+1 Eric Daume wrote: > I’ve had a lot of bikes pass through my garage, but my rSogn is one of the > few I regret selling. > > On Thursday, February 11, 2021, Mark Roland <absolut...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry, cut off the fork legs! Re: current models. I don't think there are >> any. Didn't they implode a few years back? (One more non-Riv element to the >> Nord--43mm chainstays across all sizes.) >> >> [image: IMG_0113.JPG] >> >> >> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 12:40:18 AM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: >> >>> I miss the days when Rawland did curved fork legs :( Such gorgeous >>> frames. I am sure the current models ride nice but just not the same. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 9:35 PM Mark Roland <absolut...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree with Mark S. that the title is just silly clickbait and don't >>>> have much interest in watching. I'm sure the video itself is more nuanced, >>>> but still not that interested. Crust makes some interesting bicycles, and >>>> they appeal to all the people who complain that Rivendell won't do disc >>>> brakes or low trail--almost a market sitting there waiting to be provided >>>> to. >>>> >>>> I guess there have been some almost blatant attempts at copying, but >>>> that is not necessarily a bad thing, especially if it captures enough of >>>> the good but maybe at a lower price point. Also, everyone "copies" --Grant >>>> did not reinvent the wheel. However, he took designs (and materials) that >>>> had fallen from favor and continued developing them. I think his designs >>>> of >>>> the last five years are his most radical and successful. One way I know >>>> they are the most radical is that it's much harder to find a vintage >>>> platform to build up a wanna-be Rivendell--there just isn't anything out >>>> there that is close. The way I know they are successful is I own three of >>>> them. >>>> >>>> By the way, the Rawland Nordavinden mentioned above, other than being >>>> steel, is not particularly Rivish. It uses standard size tubing and it has >>>> a barely sloped 7/4/7 top tube and a low trail geometry. It is much more >>>> in >>>> the vein of a Bicycle Quarterly Rando machine. I had the pleasure of being >>>> part of the online design crew that helped develop Rawland's previous >>>> offering, the rSogn. It too had a lightweight, standard diameter top tube >>>> and low trail design. The main differences were all sizes were 650b, more >>>> sloped tt, clearance for wider tires, threadless, beefier fork, and >>>> cantilever brakes. Here's mine (since sold, replaced by a L'avecaise, also >>>> since sold): >>>> >>>> [image: IMG_0127.JPG] >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 11:36:38 PM UTC-5 Ben Miller wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, I guess this thread has gone entirely OT. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Richard Thompson is of the best I’ve seen. And a great songwriter. >>>>>> Right now I’m leaning towards Robert Fripp but it’s hard to argue >>>>>> against >>>>>> Thompson. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as bikes go, for me old Riv > Crust while Crust > new Riv. I >>>>>> can’t really get into a lot of the newer frames Riv has put out but I >>>>>> love >>>>>> the older models. I’m a Riv retrogrouch I guess. >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert Tilley >>>>>> San Diego, CA >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Mike Godwin <spoke...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually its Richard Thompson >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike SLO CA >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:17:49 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Totally agree on the Crust / Riv collaboration frame. That would be >>>>>>> really neat. I love the idea of single-batch collaboration runs like >>>>>>> this, >>>>>>> and it would be cool to see more of them. I tried to publicly connect >>>>>>> Ocean Air Cycles and Rivendell to spark a MIT run of their Rambler >>>>>>> frameset >>>>>>> but it didn't work haha. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I imagine that collaborative frame being fairly sporty tubing but >>>>>>> tons of tire clearance, and pretty long in the TT for upright bars or >>>>>>> zero-reach drop setups >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 20:03:14 UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and >>>>>>>> important stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really >>>>>>>> interesting collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something >>>>>>>> along the >>>>>>>> lines of the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. 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