Additionally the Sam is a great country bike and limestone trail rides are 
right up its alley. If I was looking for lighter and zippier with some 
light rail trail use I would look for RIvs in this order: 
Rambouillet/Romulus, Toyo AHH, Roadini, Soma San Marcos

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:30:56 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Can it be lighter? Sure if you built it up that way. Your Atlantis could 
> be lighter with stuff removed as well.  A double top tube 64cm steel bike 
> will never really be a super light bike. I think the MIT Atlantis is a very 
> similar bike to be honest. Rivendell said that the Waterford 64cm Sam frame 
> would be good for a PBH of 94-101 so I would say that it would be too big. 
> Some will say its fine just bury the seatpost and stem. It all depends on 
> how you like a bike to fit.
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 7:56:59 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I'll keep this as short as I can. There's a Sam up for sale that I'm 
>> interested in. The seller says it's a Waterford Sam, which I think is 
>> pretty neat. It's orange, double top tube, and does not have the cream head 
>> tube. I think it's neat!
>>
>> So questions...
>> It's a 64cm frame. I found some old geometry charts and found that 64cm 
>> Sams have 91.5cm of standover height. My PBH is 93.5. Does anyone feel that 
>> this is WAY too close, even if I put some 38mm tires on it? If the group 
>> thinks Riv would be able to help, I'd happily call them (I just know 
>> they're probably quite busy). 
>>
>> I currently have a MIT 59cm Atlantis which I absolutely love. It's my 
>> commuter and fun ride machine...I just hate loading into my car to drive it 
>> to fun trails around town. It's pretty heavy (34 pounds with fenders and 
>> racks but unloaded). Am I fooling myself by thinking that the Sam would be 
>> a little bit lighter and zippier bike for long unloaded crushed limestone 
>> trail rides? 
>>
>> Any feedback or input would be great!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben "tempted by a Sam" in Omaha
>>
>

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