Great input from everyone...again, thanks to all of you! I'm not going to pursue the Sam I'm eyeballing. Gosh, I wish it would work out...price is beyond right, seller is about the nicest person I've ever chatted with via e-mail, bike has very little wear...but I think it's too tall for me.
I'm probably better off investing a little money and time tinkering with my Atlantis, but I'm going to keep an eye out for some of the models Johnny suggested as light trail bikes, particularly Romulus/Ramboulliet. If the right modern 62cm Hillborne comes up for sale anywhere, that might be an option, too. Thanks again, everyone! Ben "off the ledge" in Omaha. On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:45:42 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > My 62 cm Sam from 2015 has a 90.5 cm standover My PBH 96 cm and I would > not want the standover to be any higher. In regards to how stretched out > those early Sam's were, my 62 cm has a front center of 65.3 cm and chart > above shows the 58 cm at 64 cm FS on the earlier models. 67 cm FS on the > 64. The seat tube and heat tube angles from both eras are the same. > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:11:08 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote: > >> I'm about the same leg length as you Ben and when I looked into a 64 Sam >> I knew it would be too big for my liking. If the top tube was level it'd be >> fine, but it's not. >> Here's the geo chart from back then ... >> [image: original_geometry.pdf.jpg] >> >> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 7:56:59 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Hey everyone! >>> I'll keep this as short as I can. There's a Sam up for sale that I'm >>> interested in. The seller says it's a Waterford Sam, which I think is >>> pretty neat. It's orange, double top tube, and does not have the cream head >>> tube. I think it's neat! >>> >>> So questions... >>> It's a 64cm frame. I found some old geometry charts and found that 64cm >>> Sams have 91.5cm of standover height. My PBH is 93.5. Does anyone feel that >>> this is WAY too close, even if I put some 38mm tires on it? If the group >>> thinks Riv would be able to help, I'd happily call them (I just know >>> they're probably quite busy). >>> >>> I currently have a MIT 59cm Atlantis which I absolutely love. It's my >>> commuter and fun ride machine...I just hate loading into my car to drive it >>> to fun trails around town. It's pretty heavy (34 pounds with fenders and >>> racks but unloaded). Am I fooling myself by thinking that the Sam would be >>> a little bit lighter and zippier bike for long unloaded crushed limestone >>> trail rides? >>> >>> Any feedback or input would be great! >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Ben "tempted by a Sam" in Omaha >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f82ebfbd-e2c5-418a-996e-9ff4751b7eb4n%40googlegroups.com.
