Not sure what your size is (and I get the search for a nice long chainstay) but might I suggest some lower-model Waterford Treks?
I'm riding a 1983 Trek 620 (which was, unfortunately, listed as a 720) and an even older Trek TX500 that can fit a 700c X 38 tire without fenders. They ride great, I think - though not as nice as a Waterford AHH Nothing I know-of that's older is going to have those Trek 720/728 chainstays though - mine are only a 44mm And while the prices aren't nearly as crazy for the lower models in smaller sizes (just running a quick ebay search), as Matt noted, prices are still going up .... Best of luck, MATHIEU BROWN On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:17 PM Yankeebird <freeski...@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh these are all great, thank you. I mention the Roadini because to my > eye, it mimics a lot of the older touring bikes. The Roadini chainstays are > not uber-long, but a bit longer than a tighter bike, and tubing is not > ultralight, but a bit beefier. To my amateur eye, seems somewhat comparable > to bikes like the 720 or Passage that had slightly longer chainstays and > slightly heavier tubing. Sure, the descriptions might be different, the > Roadini is more "Riv-Racey" and the 720/Passage are serious touring > machines in their era... I wouldn't think that a 720/Passage would ride as > stiffly as an unloaded Long Haul Trucker, for instance. > > Am I wrong? > > On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 4:31:31 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote: > >> I've been counseling a friend on CL bike, pointing him to a Univega Sport >> Tour, or Gran Sprint (champion 1 vs 2 and mangaloy), early >> Miyatas-Centurion-Fuji-Nishiki crowd, the usual UJB selections. He found a >> Jamis Axis, still to be checked out. Looks like a Tange Infinity sticker on >> the seat tube. UJBs seem to be a better bargain now than low or medium >> grade 531 bikes, but the prices are all over the map. Also check out the >> Schwinn Tenax trinity of Circuit-Tempo-Peloton. Less tire clearance but >> under the radar bikes too. >> >> Mike SLO CA >> >> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote >> wrote: >> >>> Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport >>> originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment on >>> the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires, >>> maybe 38. >>> >>> I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with a >>> bad headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often lived >>> a harder life. >>> >>> Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the >>> Trek 720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really >>> comparable to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such, >>> was suggesting 80s sport touring bikes. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for >>>> 27" wheels and caliper brakes. I've successfully converted three such >>>> frames to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes. I'm 6'5" and >>>> because of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely >>>> opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions >>>> essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a >>>> Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam. Mine are all lower end models with >>>> non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models >>>> with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes. >>>> >>>> A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames >>>> you find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown >>>> race (vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common) One of my many >>>> lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer. Not an issue if >>>> you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with >>>> the stock fork, of course. >>>> >>>> My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of >>>> acquisition:) >>>> >>>> '87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh >>>> 'DeLuxe' import from Denmark. >>>> >>>> The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike >>>> tinkering. Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was >>>> admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast >>>> piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and >>>> smashed/bent for steerer clearance. '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by >>>> Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame >>>> size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops >>>> but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway. >>>> >>>> It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side. >>>> Both of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, typical >>>> 68mm british bottom bracket shells. '87 had semi-horizontal dropouts with >>>> derailer tab and downtube lever bosses with bolt on under bottom bracket >>>> cable guide. The earlier '83 Traveler has no derailer tab and clamp on >>>> downtube shifter bosses, and brazed on cable guides on the top of the BB >>>> shell. I picked up a bolt on derailer mount to eventually be able to run a >>>> multispeed wheel from the wheel I had upgraded on the '87 Schwinn but >>>> otherwise have been running the '83 as a single speed/Quickbeam substitute >>>> in the interim and had considered making this a IGH build instead with the >>>> lack of derailer tab and brazed on BB cable guide... also as a 3spd >>>> replacement since my mystery Raleigh project completely caught me by >>>> surprise. >>>> >>>> I won't get into the weeds with this one here since it's not >>>> necessarily relevant to your search but The Raleigh was bought cheap with >>>> little more than a few photos showing a large frame with locking fork. It >>>> was intended to be a frame replacement/upsize to just move a typical 3sp >>>> build from a too small 21" frame Raleigh Sports into the larger frame I >>>> found. Turns out the frame was even larger than I initially thought and >>>> easily fits 700x35 - likely 38mm with fender if I could add some clearance >>>> to the chainstays, but vertical clearance with current 35mm and Tektro >>>> brakes is nearly 2cm. I've essentially made this my >>>> commuter/lock-up/basket bike (I don't have a commute but this is the one I >>>> grab for any utility riding.) >>>> >>>> Probably worth checking out any local co-ops or bike kitchens in your >>>> area. Central New Jersey area has Second Life Bikes in Asbury Park and in >>>> Trenton there is the Boys and Girls Club Bike Exchange that both run on >>>> donations/volunteer support. I used to have an office within a 15min ride >>>> of Second Life Bikes in Asbury where I'd make an occasional lunch hour trip >>>> to both drop off parts donations or dig through the parts bins for anything >>>> specific in need (and successfully found necessary seatposts/stems/levers >>>> on several occasions plus the 27" '83 Schwinn I just happened to spot >>>> hanging in the rafters one day.) >>>> >>>> Best of luck! >>>> >>>> Brian Cole >>>> Lawrence NJ >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going >>>>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up >>>>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my >>>>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up >>>>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when >>>>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam. >>>>> >>>>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at >>>>> least a 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross >>>>> or >>>>> a cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my >>>>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this >>>>> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these >>>>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as >>>>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. >>>>> >>>>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should >>>>> be looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for >>>>> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding >>>>> French sized parts? >>>>> >>>>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn >>>>> the stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it >>>>> comes to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build >>>>> a >>>>> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I >>>>> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence >>>>> this query. >>>>> >>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9fda676a-d6e5-407d-a711-b7879ba05e5dn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9fda676a-d6e5-407d-a711-b7879ba05e5dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CA%2Bwsox%3DEpFXAvo5CEgswnQzDcyiMLheNo8BfT-Scijx88n9yKA%40mail.gmail.com.
