*MacKenzy: Are you familiar with Marino? Are they legit, and is the website 
and price list up to date? *

Like Eric said. They're legit. Their customer service is excellent, 
sometimes slow. They're a small company and they build one off batches for 
other companies such as enforcer (I also wouldn't be surprised if they 
built frames for bassi or some small batches of crust stuff like the 
florida man this is 200% speculative). Wait times are definitely a bit on 
the slower side 6 months is more accurate, they're very thorough with the 
design mockups before they begin the build - so generally id say a month of 
correspondence before it even moves into the build queue. I think for a 
frame and fork shipped to Canada was probably around 700cad (4-500usd seems 
about right for a frame) which is still cheaper than a surly frame here due 
to imports. I'd say it's for sure it's Surly quality. I know a few more 
people that are mid process and its going well getting slightly 
modified/personalized versions of unavailable frames. I think you can 
upgrade to nicer and lighter steels, but that wasn't really a concern on my 
part. 
On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 7:04:31 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM Mackenzy Albright <mackenzy...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> if you have a bit of patience and feel like being creative you could just 
>> get a custom made - 
>> https://www.marinobike.com/product/custom-gravel-fixed-cyclocross-frame/
>
>
> MacKenzy: Are you familiar with Marino? Are they legit, and is the website 
> and price list up to date? I ask because this jumped out at me:
>
> *Description: A full custom geometry TIG welded frame starts at 
>  US$280. Building time frame: 14 weeks*
>
> Is that a typo, and should it be $2800? Or are these prices from 2005? I'd 
> immediately guess "yes" except, look at the prices he quotes for 
> *worldwide* frame shipping! $110 for 1, $150 for 2. 
>
> Can you say? Anyone else?
>
> He seems to offer frames for 700C X 3" wheels, and that's what I'm hoping 
> to get in replacement for the Monocog so I can use the true 3" width of the 
> WTB Rangers (currently at about 71 mm on the skinny 24 mm ED Alex rims).
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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